I was in favor of unisex bathrooms, but someone pointed out that women are constantly harassed by men and the only safe way to escape unwanted attention is to retreat to a place that men basically cannot enter.
That is, it can be unsafe for a woman to tell a man to leave her alone, or that she’s not interested, or similar. She can go to the bathroom though.
I don’t know if it differs outside of Canada but “unisex” means single occupancy just like a toilet at home. Where TF are unisex bathrooms where both genders collect en masse a thing? That’s just asking for sexual harassment.
Some workplaces have “all gender” restrooms with multiple stalls. Intel is one. Men and women can use it, but IME I’ve only ever seen men use it to poop in peace.
That is weird but workplace I can kind of give a pass to because assuming you have to sign in to access them there’s some safeguards in place.
I think unisex toilets are necessary for changing tables (the table for changing diapers of babies). Out of the two genred bathrooms i’ve seen, i’ve rarely seen a changing table accessible to men (often only in women toilets). It makes awkward situations, which does not take place if there is a unisex room to do this.
Sometimes they’re in the handicap stall.
Most places in England I’ve seen have an accessible toilet (for wheelchair users etc) in addition to male and female blocks, and the baby changing is in the accessible one.
I agree but if it makes it awkward for you, then you can also make it awkward for everyone. There’s tons of “mobile” diaper changing equipment available, we had one which you just unfold, had a cover to lie on that was possible to take off separately if something happened.
Then you just find a table anywhere and if anyone complains you can point out the lack of changing tables in men’s toilets.
As long as there are urinals. No urinals then I’ll piss on the wall.
Do you have a urinal at your home, or do you piss on the wall?
I don’t sit on public toilets 🤷♂️ I clean my own
No one cares which port-a-potty you use (as long as it is unoccupied)
I’ve heard the argument that as soon as there is one common bathroom, women will get stalked and raped in there….
Sorry to burst your bubble but if someone wanted to attack you, it’s not a triangle dress on a sign that would have stopped them.
“You’re right! And that’s why we are also outlawing so-called ‘trans women’ from entering them!”
I think we should normalize audio recordings in bathroom I mean it’s a little weird but I don’t really care if someone hears me piss
They could put little TVs in each stall so that you can see what’s happening in the other stalls, to be sure nobody is coming after you.
If you wanted to record restrooms, you could just set the camera eye level at the sinks. Something that physically can’t see into closed stalls(and make the stall wall/doors go from floor to ceiling).
I don’t think either are going to deter assault.
Proper self contained cubicles, then you can just record everything outside of it and you would see anyone going in. The lock should help too.
I’m just imagining the help wanted ad for the security guy that has to listen to farts all day.
They’ll come out of that job with a whole taxonomy for farts and grunts.
It can. Mostly because if a person enters wrong bathroom, everyone there will focus on them. With women going into attack mode.
Except that if not there, that person will find another moment. x_x
You’re getting downvoted, but I’m extremely cautious of unisex bathrooms because a creep did exactly this at a bar, using the guise of the unisex bathroom to follow me in and sexually assaulted me.
As you stated, I’m sure he would have found any avenue to isolate me without causing suspicion that he could have found, but this certainly provided an easy method for him.
Also, edit to add: this was a couple years ago and I’m doing much better now :). Fuck that guy though, I hope he gets hit by a garbage truck.
Do you think these assaults are happening in crowded bathrooms? Or that other women will ignore an assault simply because the bathroom is unisex?
The dude overpowering women and raping them is scared of women? Smooth idea so smooth and shiny you should keep this one.
They aren’t scared of woman. They should be scared of women.
In most cases, an average guy could be taken by as few as 3 average women – that’s a scientific statistic, based on my scientific person science feeling about how many average women it’d take to make me feel physically threatened.
You can throw all sorts of variables in there: is the guy an MMA fighter? Are any of the women fighters? Does anyone have weapons, from rocks or sticks, up to guns? Is one of the women Holly Holmes or Ronda Roussey? What if it’s Dwayne Johnson against Ronda Roussey, Holly Holmes, and Anne Mathis? Heck, I’d pay to see that fight. Dwayne’s not an MMA fighter, but all that mass and muscle is going to count.
Anyway, a reasonable small group of untrained women could fuck up your average untrained guy, especially if the women aren’t holding back; so, yeah, if he isn’t scared of a group of angry women, he’s an idiot, rapist or not.
Lol did you ever see the ninja warrior where they let men and women compete at same time? USWNT vs U15 FC Dallas go ahead and google it. Why do you think there is a womens league, and and weight divisions? What are the differences for male and female military standards? I could go on. Enjoy your fantasy I’m sure it won’t turn out poorly.
Yeah, but the key difference here is numbers. A man outstrips a woman of similar training at most of that stuff (testosterone is a hell of a drug), but the moment you have numbers on one side it changes things. It’s dramatically more difficult to protect yourself from multiple opponents and more opponents means a higher chance someone has some kind of weapon. So unless hypothetical rapey dude has a gun, it’s a very poor idea tactically.
You are thinking way to much about stuff that don’t check out. Rape man using logic? Tactically it would be better to spend all this effort into finding a sexual partner who is into the things you like. Lots of people are into roleplaying. Also I haven’t ever seen roves of Amazon woman. Usually when some lady is being physically assaulted(deserved or not) all the comments are “ain’t no real man gonna step up and protect her.” But I’ll wait feel free to links some video evidence of what your describing.
My dude, the only reason why rapes don’t happen around witnesses is because people put a stop to it. I don’t know why you want to argue this point.
It’s more so that it’s an instant red flag, alarm bells moment.
Except old dudes just use those bathrooms to take dumps all day so it always stinks in there.
Them: Using a toilet for an intended purpose
You: How very dare you 😱
Lol, I really don’t care. I’m a cis gendered dude and I’m completely comfortable using the men’s bathroom. It just defeats the stated purpose to have a 3rd bathroom for people who feel uncomfortable in the other 2.
Side note: for the love of god if you shit at work clean up after yourself. Bring baby wipes if you have to.
Try this one European secret, also no more gaps around the stall doors please.
Some people are citing safety concerns at bars, but the whole architecture of public restrooms could be engineered for bar safety. Real doors on stalls and glass doors or walls between the general area and sinks.
American stall doors are a crime.
American stalls are a crime
American are a crime
Crimes are a stall
A lot if not most of Europe still uses gendered bathrooms. But yeah, no gaps.
Oh yeah name every European bathroom. Would you say most have an attendant and charge a small fee?
There’s a restaurant near me that doesn’t want to do unisex bathrooms because politics. Even though they’re single occupancy.
But if someone is waiting for the gender-specific bathroom, they’ll regularly tell them they can just use the other one.
🤷♂️
Oh you see that at bars all the time. Utterly stupid.
When I was at university in the late 2000s they did that with the university toilets, there was just a row of them off a corridor, all self-contained with a sink in everything, half of them were male and half of them were female, but there was literally no difference. No one ever paid any attention to the signs on the doors. No one ever cared back then.
Don’t tell the fascists that the bathrooms in their homes are unisex.
Or on airplanes.
Jesus only used unisex bathrooms.
They quite literally probably have gendered bathrooms in their homes, the way there are “MAN CAVES”.
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it’s also a ‘single stall’
You’re almost there.
My partner and I practice synchronized shitting where one person sits normally and the other sits on top facing the tank.
It takes a bit of practice but we’re pretty good at it now.
Conveniently, the shower is in the same room.
I bet you could fit another three or four people there!
For poopin’?
We have 1 unisex bathroom (literally 1 toilet) on the entire campus here, tucked away in a corner. I only ended up finding it by accident in my 3rd year. I personally would be in favor of removing the distinction everywhere, but I doubt that’s going to happen. There was some strange blowback from some people who didn’t like the change. On one hand, it felt pretty weird considering 99% of students didn’t even know of the existence of said toilet before, but it became clearer to me after seeing how it was communicated.
I went to a theatre a few months ago that had the bathroom setup with several stalls that had full floor to ceiling walls and doors and an open sink area. There was a wall blocking the view of the main entrance to the building, but it was open enough that, at least to me and granted I am a CIS white male, it seemed like a solid setup that didn’t feel so isolating that were something to happen in there, someone would pretty quickly know.
I thought that style of setup should be the norm, honestly I think it’s the weird stalls that don’t actually block anything and have locks that 80% of the time are misaligned and broken that prevent us from having decent unisex bathrooms. Also, we don’t need urinals they don’t really save any room or anything.
The only other change I’d make with this setup is I’d probably have a separate room for baby changing stations just because the one example I had was small enough that if you had that in there, it would just be in the way of people trying to get in and out.
I went to an Alamo Drafthouse once with an interesting bathroom set up.
When you walk up to the restroom, there’s a large bay of sinks. To the left is a door that leads to a room of urinals and to the right is a hallway of stalls. Everyone just goes where they need to and since the sinks are out in the open where everyone sees and passes by, there’s more social pressure to wash your hands.
The best, bar none, engendered public restroom I’ve ever seen was less of a restroom and more of an area. It was basically just a hallway coming from a main area in the establishment. The hallway was lined with doors. Each was a “stall” that was just a closet with a toilet. Full hight doors for privacy. At the far end of the hall was a line of sinks to wash your hands afterwards.
Now, do I think this is perfect and cannot be improved? Hell no. It’s pretty flawed, but I’ll tell you that it’s less flawed than what most buildings that are open to the public have… Far less flawed. Gendered bathrooms are weird. IDK why people are so adamant about keeping them. I mean, I don’t have a men’s room and a ladies room at my house, do you?
I’ve never understood the privacy argument. There’s a door for a reason so no one can see anyone in there anyway. Do women not want men watching them wash their hands? I don’t get it.
I get it if they’re your typical stall doors, those things are not great for privacy, but anything more robust than that, I would agree with you.
The only other qualm I can see would be resolved by ensuring that every stall has a garbage can.
Put a proper door on the stalls like they do in Europe. Seriously just make it a small room and yeah have a flip top bin or something in there.
Basically just Google European unisex bathroom and then do that.
Well yeah, but that was addressed in the comment I responded to :)
Yeah, they’re great, I hadn’t seen or heard about those before going to that Alamo. A hallway of stalls is a better phrase for describing it than I used. I did like that the alamo drafthouse had a room for urinals, so you don’t end up with pee all over every street from missed aiming.
They could add a little dispenser of cleaner to the stalls, like they have at bucees. It’s like a soap dispenser at the sink. You squirt it on some toilet paper and can use it to make sure the seat is clean before you sit down.
Stop splitting kids by genitals too. No need to divide people early, it just creates…this.
Republicans are obsessed with genitals. It’s very creepy…
patriarchy enforces itself on boys starting as early as when they’re five (that’s when i was first told boys and girls can’t be friends). the patriarchy supports the types of people who are consistently republican. republicans consistently step in to defend and enforce patriarchy. if you’re familiar with the shit Akademiks got caught doing recently, that’s… that’s how patriarchy enforces itself on boys when they’re 13-16. it’s republicans doing the grooming, and republicans accusing us of grooming. and so we are clear, i am not letting the democrats off the hook here. their tolerance of intolerant philosophies is actively harmful to our survival effectively they groom us to be groomed for our patriarchal roles
How is that patriarchy?
that is patriarchy. it’s really hard to answer the question because the obsession with genitals being what makes our society is patriarchy. not just an aspect of it, but the entire thing. it’s like pointing at an elephant and asking how an elephant is an elephant. i’ll still try to explain best i can though.
so. let’s define patriarchy as being similar to other systems of oppression. capitalism hinges on that the owner class exists in hierarchy over the working classes. colonialism hinges on that races and societies exist in competition and hierarchy. religious fundamentalism hinges on that the religions of the world are at war and that only one religion is true. patriarchy hinges on that men and women are naturally meant to conduct themselves in certain ways and that men exist within hierarchy over women.
as an aside, all of this is fascism. fascism has gone by many different names throughout history. but any society that embraces these attitudes is fascist. america today is fascist. russia is fascist. the ussr was fascist. north korea is fascist. china is fascist. the self proclaimed fascists of the 1930s were, obviously, fascist. but so were the monarchs of the previous millenium, the confederated states of america, and tons of governments that have existed over the last 12000 years (particularly notably the romans and the Carthaginian).
anyway. the thing to understand is that the patriarchy is not for men, nor does it really benefit men. patriarchy ultimately benefits a small cabal of men who take advantage of the power they have within the hierarchy to gain personal comfort. think andrew tate, elon musk, dj akademiks, drake, joe rogan.
i’m out of energy to keep writing. please check out bell hooks in particular. she was a feminist philosopher who wrote the very influential essay “Feminism is for Everyone” which she wrote in the 1980s as powerful men figured out they could discredit feminism and say it was about things it never was by using the word “faminazi”
Have you ever noticed the longer the comment the greater the chance it is dumb or worthless?
My fifth grader is going to go through his “human growth and development” series this spring in school, and they’ve stopped separating them by gender and everyone is all in the same classroom. Very different than when I did it in the mid-90s. It’s especially good because there’s kid at school who is nonbinary and I know of at least one other who is questioning.
Bonus tip: If there’s no witnesses around, you can put an official-looking unisex bathroom sign on any stray bathroom. Most people aren’t gonna question it.
Where would one find these official looking signs? Asking for a friend.
That’s great. Unisex bathroom guerilla tactics.
All for it though it’s best done when renovations are possible. Was at a place where they did it with multistall bathrooms and you had to guess which one had urinals.
Edit: of course could also just add a sign saying urinals here.
I dislike urinals.
They’re super good for efficiency though; water, time, and space efficiency. Particularly the modern ones that basically have a one-way fluid valve so they don’t require flushing. It’s unfortunate that not everyone can use them.
Because you have trouble sitting in them?
There should be two restrooms. One with only stalls, one with only urinals. That way we get the efficiency gains of urinals (very important at football stadiums), and nobody has to see a dick if they don’t want to.
I mean, I don’t know who goes to public bathrooms to see dick. I don’t even want to be in there in the first place. Seeing someone else’s bits is pretty low on the list of things I want to see in there, right above shit smeared walls.
At over 50 years old, I don’t think I’ve ever seen another man’s dick in a bathroom.
I’ve been to a handful of old athletic buildings that had trough urinal setups that made having peripheral vision basically a guarantee that you’ll catch a glimpse. A couple others that were circular but I wasn’t sure it wasn’t a sink so I left it alone.
Also improperly supervised kids who are almost tall enough for the urinal and entirely trop trow.Seeing random disinterested anatomy in passing doesn’t hurt anyone, so I don’t get why people get so worked up over it.
Seeing a penis is harmless. Being shown a penis is what can be messed up.In my experience the most common sighting of the men’s dicks in the bathroom is when some 60 year old is wandering around stark naked in the gym changing rooms. I think it’s a requirement past a certain age that you do that.
I’ve seen more dicks in the streets than at urinals.
Hint all these people who are worried are the meat gazers. Same thing with the dudes who want to hang out as “guards”. Go in take a piss/shit then leave. In Europe they have these 4 way open urinals on the street walk up piss sun shining on your head, squirt of hand sanitizer. Back to the pub/work. No chaos ensued society was unaffected.
There should be two restrooms. One with only stalls, one with only urinals. That way we get the efficiency gains of urinals (very important at football stadiums), and nobody has to see a dick if they don’t want to.
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