If only Americans didn’t hate LGBT and minorities so much they might be actually be able to progress instead of continuing the American tradition of two steps forward one step back.
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That’s the product of decades worth of “BoTh SiDeS aRe THe SaMe” propaganda
That and then pushing the green party in the last month before the election is exactly what Russia did in 2016 and is doing again.
Russia is using the Gaza war as a tool for this. And Nethanyahu knows it, and since Trump is better for Nethanyahu, he’s going to keep the war going and the killing of civilians until the election.
And if Trump wins he will never stop. He has a 12% approval rating but many believe you can’t change leaders during a war. So he will do forever war as long as our Congress and their enablers at AIPAC let it happen.
I mean, the Democrats are also corrupt but at least they respect human rights and have some nice policies that get through.
The struggle for me is Democrats will never fix the root issue, which is capitalism. Yes they’re the better of the two right leaning options but why can’t socialists get our shit together and make an actual leftist party?
Because it would split the party enough that Republicans would gain further control.
Unfortunately, the best way to move things further left is not “yet another party”, but decimation of the Republican party and then fracture (with FPTP is replaced). With FPTP in place, any party further left than democrats will just fail, because Republicans will dominate and further restrict voting to maintain control. We are seeing that very thing right now with election commissions in GA.
The only other option is the tankie hope for a civil war, which I am so much against I would not only argue against, but would actively fight against that sort of destructive approach which would serve only to harm and kill imo.
So what to do? Support people in primaries who are as far left as possible. Participate in the process, including primaries. Vote in local elections. Volunteer.
Be the left you want to see in the Democrats.
As someone who lives under representative representation, I totally agree that FPTP should go. But being against that system doesn’t have to ve a leftist strategy. I think everyone who does not feel represent by the two big parties can get behind a change there. Pushing that idea across the spectrum could be helpful. It might even be an idea to start an alliance party with as only program point an overdue constitutional reform. You wouldn’t need other policies: simply reform & hold new elections as soon as possible afterwards
100% it impacts voters of all parties
Since Republicans would lose more ground that way though, they will continue to push unrelated issues for single issue voters, and continuously make it “not the right time!” to address FPTP.
And while that sounds nice to reform immediately, that isn’t how things would work given our Constitution. So I don’t think it would realistically work out
Mostly a combination of laziness, the need to work 50-60 hours/week to survive, and good old-fashioned leftist infighting.
Don’t forget the two party system (FPTP voting), gerrymandering, the electoral college, the debates being organized by the two parties themselves instead of an unbiased third party organization, mainstream media (in general), private money in politics, and every other systemic issue preventing political third parties from existing.
First we need to shift the Overton window left by repeatedly defeating Republicans.
Because we never elect someone on the left. The best we can do is someone only slightly Right of center. We can’t even get someone in the center let alone someone actually on the left
The way there is to get involved in local and state politics, primary right-wing Dems and organize enough voters to replace them with left-wing Dems
Almost. The need for a third (and fourth etc) party is real. Dems are very interested in the capitalism, more so than human rights. An actual left party is needed for balance.
The only way to have viable third+ parties in the US is to drastically change the election system, and the only way to do that is to reform the Democratic party
Anyone in power is corrupt to some extent. Anyone. There are no exceptions.
There are only people who let it corrupt them less than those around them.
That’s it.
Respect human rights? Look around. Start with Palestine and then take a look at California leveraging the recent Supreme court ruling to outlaw homelessness.
If only <any country> didn’t hate LGBT and minorities so much they might be actually be able to progress instead of continuing the <any country> tradition of two steps forward one step back.
Enabling and funding a genocide in Gaza doesn’t sound too “defender of human rights” to me but sure
Maybe the USA is a huge country full of a multitude of varying & sometimes clashing cultures, and can’t be summed up in one stupid stereotype.
Maybe things are more nuanced than you think, and most Americans actually dislike trump. He did lose the popular vote twice of the two times he ran.
74 million people voted for the addled nazi orange guy after four years of complete chaos. That’s 47% of all voters.
There isn’t enough nuance in the multiverse.
From what I’ve read, In the last election, only 31% of eligible voters chose trump. 34% voted for Biden. 33% didn’t vote - for one reason or another (I won’t speculate).
Still far too close than it should be. These should be landslide wins for progressives. Instead we’re faced with nail biting elections every 4 years which is baffling to the rest of the world.
It comes down to a few states. Location, location, location. If you’re not in one of those swing states your vote doesn’t carry the same weight.
The “protecting human rights party” is doing genocide.
Fuck off.
Fuck off yourself.
Trump is quoted as stating he would give Israel leeway to “finish the problem”.
His party isn’t going to protect anyone’s rights at all. Well…just the rich people anyway.
Yes, so the two choices are the blatantly evil party and the banally evil party.
Death to America
Or just not vote and be banally evil yourself.
I’ll have you know I’m an activist, every week I post “One Like = One Bullet For The Revolution” on my communist facebook group!!
We can force candidates to take a less evil position in exchange for our votes. If protest matters, if voting matters, then we have a chance.
NUKE THE WHALES
Children are being starved and tortured and raped and having their limbs amputated without anesthesia in Israeli prisons.
Life is messy, and so are false dichotomies.
There is a RFK Jr. button, it’s just hidden off panel, under the corpse of a bear cub.
How is a decision between two candidates a “false dichotomy”? That’s literally what the word “dichotomy” means.
Most likely parroting something they read because it makes them sound intelligent.
He’s saying it’s not a choice between two: both sides are the same. Seems like an attempt to look smart while attempting to look like he has deeper understanding. What a crock of bs!
There are more options than being presented. No one can choose for you, unless you allow them, of course. What’s being offered is for the mentally lazy, likely because the capitalist machine is designed to keep us in a lack mentality. There’s a flip-side, though: we have to do the work of actually seeking other options but thinking outside of the box, and we can’t get so attached to the outcome that we fear it But that’s just me. You do you.
If all you’re going to do is vaguely dance around these other options, then I have to assume you’re representing them in bad faith here and/or are significantly downplaying the difficulty of changing an entire form of government and the economic machine without an incredible level of violence; or generations of coordinated reform (or I suppose, the “CIA” equivalent in another country supporting a coup here…)
What other options are there for the average American? Truly?
There are only 2 other options I can see from what has been presented by you. Only 2.
- RFK Jr. - This is not a serious third option, and everyone who’s not currently living with brain worms, understands this.
- Violence - If you’re not advocating for RFK Jr here, and I suspect you are not, then you’re advocating for violence. That’s a very, very, very, extremely, insanely, dangerous game you’re playing right now.
Unless you’ve got another option you can clearly articulate here.
I have offered my opinions multiple times, and what’s right for me may not be right for you. If you’re interested enough in those opinions, you can scroll my history, when you’ve time, inclination and gumption enough. Or you can stay invested in the opinions you’ve already formed and reward confirmation biases. I’ve searched long and hard for options, and I’m still searching. I have a few in mind. But if it even looks like seeking confirmation bias seeking behavior to me, I’m moving on, because like everyone else, I’m already balancing a tray of full plates. I’ll invest in those who are willing to invest, as time and energy allow. Everyone else will either figure it out for themselves, or won’t. Either way, enjoy your day/night.
Meh, I read through your history. It’s not clear what your opinions are, and you’re not volunteering it in this thread, so I’m writing you off.
That’s fine.
Both sides are blatantly evil, one just puts up a facad of caring and it’s because ultimately America is kind of blatantly evil, they only legalized gay marriage less than 10 years ago. That legalization was by judicial fiat not any legislative or executive action.
The American state was built on genocide and they’re arming one right now.
Both sides were the same, until the Christian fundamentalist wrapped their spindly fingers around the GOPs spine. Now, they are NOTHING alike. Both do not work for the general populace, but the Republican Party has slipped down the slope and is rolling in the nazi mud, and that MUST be stopped.
Honestly, the fact that a certain profile of people keeps banging that drum online at this point shows how ridiculous that proposition was all along. Or at least how disingenuous and detached from any measurable reality.
20 years ago they were both the same. Now one is a paid actor for a foreign government and the other is deeeeap in corpo pockets. At least one of them WANTS there to be an America around in 50 years.
liberals: against every war except the one happening right now
me, disingenuous, detached from reality: “maybe we should stop arming the genocide”
Cool. Now do reproductive rights, Ukraine, climate change, student debt, Supreme Court appointments, trans rights or whatever other part of Project 2025 you want to throw a dart at.
Not only is there more than one issue at play here, we know explicitly that the issue you’re pretending to care about exclusively will get worse if Trump wins as well. Both Trump and Netanyahu have said that pretty much openly.
So yeah, you, disingenuous, detached from reality, are being disingenuous, detached from reality and it’s really, REALLY not playing well anymore.
The mental gymnastics these people go through to be able to stay at home on the couch instead of going to vote or filling out a mail in ballot are staggering. They’ll say anything in order to do nothing.
Pretty sure the goal isn’t doing nothing, but discouraging others from doing anything. Assuming a goal is in place at all.
Have you considered political activities besides just voting? Like I’m a anarchist and I still plan to vote, I’m just gonna vote for the communists because they actually oppose the genocide and continue my normal organizing activities.
I’m voting for PSL, there’s also plenty of political work to be done the other 364 days of the year.
Without ranked choice voting or something like that, how much say in governance do any third party have in America?
As I understand it’s practically zero.
You’re just a dictator apologist IMO. Just check out that persons posts lol.
Reproductive rights: Democrats could have put roe into law, they didn’t
Ukraine: another war you’re supporting
Climate change: Biden regime sanctioning cheap chinese solar panels, ramping up LNG production (as bad as coal, shocker), they act like they care then brag about how they drill more than republicans
Student debt: Both sides are unironically dogshit, academia needs to be nationalized
Supreme court: It’s actually executive malpractice that Joe Biden didn’t stack the court and instead let reproductive rights, Chevron, etc just get run through in the name of ‘respecting the institution’
I said this elsewhere but:
democrats have made it clear that anyone who is politically inconvenient can be exterminated without it reflecting poorly on them because “the other guys could be worse”
I have zero confidence that trans people wouldn’t be next as soon as we’re politically inconvenient.
maybe try reading the news?
So all of that is complete nonsense, but let’s entertain it for a moment.
What are Trump’s policies on each of those issues and why are they not worse? Can’t help but notice that you’re all “dems bad”, but there’s very litttle “Trump not worse” anywhere in that post.
Your absurd worldview depends on such an aggressive, delusional misread of reality it feels weird to even engage with it. We’re talking flat earther, Westboro Baptist Church levels of not being sure whether I’m just not getting the joke or the person honestly believes what they’re saying. You’re trying to sell “not doing as much as possible if reality was no object” as an equivalent to the actual, genuine nazis. It was nonsense when people tried to do that between the liberal dems and the neocons, but between surprisingly-progressive Biden and actual-nazi Trump? The cognitive dissonance is face-melting.
For the record
Yes, I do support Ukraine, speaking of disingenuous, detached from reality nonsense. If you’re just going to be a Putin shill you can just do that openly and save us the boring online argument. The Dems lost the House very shortly after the overturning of Roe, and they did codify it at the state level immediately after where they had the power to do so. Ironically, not voting blue no matter what in the midterms is why there isn’t a federal Roe replacement. No, the Dems’ policy on climate change isn’t the same as Trump’s, by a long shot. I don’t even know what to point at on that one, Trump is out there saying wind power is exterminating birds and that toilets don’t flush while Biden presides over the biggest leap in solar generation in history. You’re moving the goalposts for any action on education to full nationalization, which is extreme even for progressive public education systems in other places, and definitely not the bar for “same as Trump” in a world where Republicans are straight-up banning books on ideological grounds. Stacking the court is a risky move that could cost the election, but more importantly, it’s actually a worse long-term solution than the proposed reforms Biden currently has on the table. Stacking the court is temporary, term limits are a permanent solution. Again, that is easier to get through if Rs think Harris will get a couple of appointments, so it’s key to elect her, regardless of anything else. And you are imagining a threat against trans people from dems that not only hasn’t existed, but runs counter to every policy they’ve presented in the real world so far. Oh, and don’t think I haven’t noticed how you don’t seem as preoccupied with focusing on Gaza once Trump’s and Netanyahu’s alignment is mentioned.
So because I wasn’t making all my jokes about Trump’s impromptu ear piercing on a public platform I must be a Putin shill, got it
BoF sIdEs!
democrats have made it clear that anyone who is politically inconvenient can be exterminated without it reflecting poorly on them because “the other guys could be worse”
I have zero confidence that trans people wouldn’t be next as soon as we’re politically inconvenient.
