If only Americans didn’t hate LGBT and minorities so much they might be actually be able to progress instead of continuing the American tradition of two steps forward one step back.

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    So all of that is complete nonsense, but let’s entertain it for a moment.

    What are Trump’s policies on each of those issues and why are they not worse? Can’t help but notice that you’re all “dems bad”, but there’s very litttle “Trump not worse” anywhere in that post.

    Your absurd worldview depends on such an aggressive, delusional misread of reality it feels weird to even engage with it. We’re talking flat earther, Westboro Baptist Church levels of not being sure whether I’m just not getting the joke or the person honestly believes what they’re saying. You’re trying to sell “not doing as much as possible if reality was no object” as an equivalent to the actual, genuine nazis. It was nonsense when people tried to do that between the liberal dems and the neocons, but between surprisingly-progressive Biden and actual-nazi Trump? The cognitive dissonance is face-melting.

    For the record

    Yes, I do support Ukraine, speaking of disingenuous, detached from reality nonsense. If you’re just going to be a Putin shill you can just do that openly and save us the boring online argument. The Dems lost the House very shortly after the overturning of Roe, and they did codify it at the state level immediately after where they had the power to do so. Ironically, not voting blue no matter what in the midterms is why there isn’t a federal Roe replacement. No, the Dems’ policy on climate change isn’t the same as Trump’s, by a long shot. I don’t even know what to point at on that one, Trump is out there saying wind power is exterminating birds and that toilets don’t flush while Biden presides over the biggest leap in solar generation in history. You’re moving the goalposts for any action on education to full nationalization, which is extreme even for progressive public education systems in other places, and definitely not the bar for “same as Trump” in a world where Republicans are straight-up banning books on ideological grounds. Stacking the court is a risky move that could cost the election, but more importantly, it’s actually a worse long-term solution than the proposed reforms Biden currently has on the table. Stacking the court is temporary, term limits are a permanent solution. Again, that is easier to get through if Rs think Harris will get a couple of appointments, so it’s key to elect her, regardless of anything else. And you are imagining a threat against trans people from dems that not only hasn’t existed, but runs counter to every policy they’ve presented in the real world so far. Oh, and don’t think I haven’t noticed how you don’t seem as preoccupied with focusing on Gaza once Trump’s and Netanyahu’s alignment is mentioned.

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      So because I wasn’t making all my jokes about Trump’s impromptu ear piercing on a public platform I must be a Putin shill, got it

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        You sound like a Putin shill when you’re advocating to end support for Ukraine, which, in case you need reminding, didn’t invade itself.

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            You do realize you can’t negotiate with a lot of people, right? Putin has made it clear, over his political career, he sees Russia reclaiming all the land the USSR lost, as the only true desire he has at the end of the day. He is a psychopathic murderer. Not in some abstract way, like hands-on murdering your rivals, experience. The only negotiation Putin is interested in is “give me your country, or I will bleed Russia dry killing you”. Abkhazia, and Crimea, were Putin testing the waters. When the global community showed they didn’t give a shit, he invaded Ukraine, full tilt. He thought it would bee a few days because he seemed to truly believe the rest of the world would let him do it. If we had, he would now be invading Georgia.

            Even if Putin were to agree to stop, in exchange for what they have taken already, it would just create a period for Russia to actually prepare for a war with NATO, before doing it again. You are naive.

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              There’s been plenty of diplomatic off ramps, I was really frustrated at the time when Boris Johnson intervened in the Istanbul talks to derail things with promises of unlimited support. There could have been a diplomatic solution years ago, but it was considered “worth it” to “grind down” Russia.

              You’re way off base to make it out like Putin’s just one psycho puppeteering everyone. There’s plenty of people there who view NATO as a threat and are more than vocal that Putin hasn’t gone far enough. Plenty of Russians have nuanced opinions and are in no more of a position to vote for an end to the war than I am here.

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                Yeah, I am not saying NATO are the good guys. There are no good guys, never were. However Saying Boris torpedoed the negotiation is ignoring the issues that culminated just before Zelensky pulled-out.

                Russia, while saying they could agree to a join guarantorship, stayed vague about exactly the letter of what responsibility that NATO would have, that they would be willing to accept. They rejected several rebalancings of this guarantorship, ones in which gave them progressively more control, signaling to Ukraine they weren’t truly on board with the idea at all. This was a sticking point for Ukraine to stay neutral, that neither Russia, nor NATO, had over-ruling control of the other’s responsibilities. They were clearly not in alignment with the idea. Then the reports of the Bucha massacre came to light. This angered Zelensky, enraged the Ukrainian public, and deeply damaged the deal. Then Russia backed-off of Kyiv. This showed that Russia wasn’t just easily walking through Ukraine any longer.

                So Russia’s coolness to the guarantorship with NATO, the Bucha massacre, while Russia also had to pull back for the first time, all came to a head and Ukraine refused the agreement.

                And yes, Putin is a psycho. Not the raving lunatic caricature type, the cold, calculated, killer type. He is indisputably responsible performing, and ordering, assassinations of his political rivals. He has little empathy, and has no qualms with killing people who challenge, or publicly humiliate, him. Also torture people just to make a point about optics. Putin has been saying he wants, and intends, to reclaim the Russian empire held by the USSR. He personally believe that the loss of that empire was the worst socioeconomic disaster in history, and the only way to fix it is to expand again. Ignoring this as a driving factor in Russia’s behavior is naive. Putin has Russia, to get more there needs to be expansion. Yes, of course, he is concerned about NATO. NATO is a more powerful, more wealthy, military presence, next door, that doesn’t agree with him on a lot of things. Has NATO done horrible shit to Russia, and previously the USSR? Yes. Is Russia guilty of a lot of horrible shit its self? Also yes. When I look at places like Russia and China, and hear their pleas of NATO being big bad, and they just want to exist peacefully, alone, with totally no expansionist desires, I have to laugh. I laugh at claims from NATO powers of victimization when attacked by places the west has been fucking up for decades, or centuries. China is doing a whole lot of the “empire of economy” stuff that the US has been doing. So excuse me if I feel that they would doing literally every imperialistic behavior the US does, if it weren’t for the US having an overwhelming infrastructure, for moving military power around, that really puts other major powers at a disadvantage.

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                  Yeah, I was being a bit hyperbolic to blame Boris personally, but I really despise the guy, so it comes easily to me.

                  He personally believe that the loss of that empire was the worst socioeconomic disaster in history, and the only way to fix it is to expand again.

                  The understanding that the fall of the USSR was a world historic tragedy is not uncommon in Russia or even outside of it. The consequences of the economic looting and societal collapse from the shock therapy were real and devastating, like losing a war. The USSR was illegally dissolved, and America got exactly the kind of government it wanted. Everything that has happened since has been blowback for actions the US/NATO have taken, and simply stepping back the aggression, coups, and insistence on an ever-expanding NATO could have absolutely have allowed for a real long term diplomatic solution.

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        No, it was the comment about support for Ukraine being “another war you’re supporting”. That’s where the Putin shill comment is coming from.

        Not seeing the Trump policy review to go along with your dem claims, though. You only reacted to one throwaway comment on a postscript I spoilerboxed specifically to keep the focus on the point. Your finger must have slipped, instead of just not having a valid argument to equate a fascist movement with increasingly left-leaning liberals.

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            Okay, so shut up online about discouraging dem voters and go organize.

            If you have time to post “both sides are evil” crap you have time to defend your fallacious arguments. If you are too busy being a real world activist, go do that and let people scrape another four years of democracy out of a flawed system.

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              I’m just talking about how I’m voting for PSL because I find arming an open genocide to be crossing the line of sometime I can support.

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                Nah, you’re not “just” anything. And if you are, you’re too oblivious to hold any political opinion worth considering.

                But hey, speaking of things you haven’t addressed, how about that Trump/Netanyahu alignment you immediately avoided acknowledging earlier? Wanna go back and review all the ways your talking points aren’t playing at all? Because a second ago you were too busy being an activist.

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                    It’s not a threat, it’s how reality works. You can’t show up complaining about option A being bad, refuse to acknowledge that option B is worse and there is no option C, then expect to be taken seriously.

                    I didn’t create Trump or his political positions on Gaza or anything else, we’re both living in the same reality, whether we like it or not.