Admittedly, most of the “Mostly Negative” Steam reviews seem to be reacting to the fact they exist at all, without considering whether they’re actually critical to your progress in the game or not (for clarity, they are not).
I didn’t know we were only allowed to write reviews based on things critical to your progress. I didn’t know how many companions you have or what your character looks like weren’t critical. I bet if we searched even a little we’d find a RockPaperShotgun review of “non critical” game features.
What horseshit.
From what I heard it costs $2 to change your characters appearance. I watched moist criticals video on it kept crashing.
You can get the items for free by finding them or pay barbers in the villages for it instead. Similar to the first game, the first one was just niche so didn’t have a huge crowd throwing fits instead of reading or even playing the game
It doesn’t. You can do it in game for free very easily. You really should not get all your opinions from YouTubers
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I love how in your example “perfect” is not having moneygrubbing microtransactions and the “good” compromise we’re supposed to accept is the microtransactions the chose to put in for no purpose other than money
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“Of course they don’t stop progress… you’ll just be stuck grinding for way way longer with our patented unfuntm systems unless you pay,
peasantvalued consumer”“how many companions you have”
??? Renting companions of your level has always been free, they only cost rift crystals if they are higher than you. Killing strong monsters and getting your pawn rented give plenty resources.
The character creation tome is easy to get, idk what to tell you.
If you want to throw horseshit to a wall, not this one please. If you had played the game you wouldn’t have even mentioned half of what you did.
“They only cost rift crystals if they’re a higher level than you”
Ah yes this is additional value and content that you should pay money for, right? It’s not core gameplay to recruit companions regardless of their level like in almost every fucking game I’ve ever played right?
Imagine licking boot so hard that you actually believe this
Rift crystals are earned by playing just like the first game. Their only purpose is to hire higher level pawns, but you earn them when people pay for your pawn or you complete their quests. It’s part of the interplay of players exchange pawns.
Recent Capcom games have all done this where it’s a great game and right on release they stuff a bunch of micro transactions in for in-game currency but you would have to be an absolute chud to buy any of it because it’s so trivial to earn.
DMCV did the same thing with trying to sell red orbs, the primary upgrade currency, but if you didn’t see people complain about it online, you wouldn’t even notice it in game.
They are ticking a checkbox for the suits.
They are ticking a checkbox for the suits.
Yeah that’s like the whole problem, not a triviality. I’m sure DD2 is fun. Ive watched a lot of it streamed. Seems cool. I’m not gonna buy it because they did this shit, same reason I didn’t buy DMCV and haven’t bought a Capcom game in years. Stop rewarding scummy companies.
Oh, shit, people are calling Dragon’s Dogma 2 “DD2”? This will get very confusing with Darkest Dungeon 2 having released last year.
Eh, people will just forget about it and go back to playing AC within a month, anyway.
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Rift crystals are an in game currency, you don’t need to pay money for it! I’ve been recruiting companions 1-4 lvls above me all the time, I’m lvls 30 now, with the in game currency. The higher the pawn is you get less exp so it’s not something that you should do anyway.
Imagine thinking that renting a LVL 200 companion is core gameplay. Geez…
This game is an improvement over the first one in almost all sides, with great content. It’s stupid reading all this takes from people that clearly have not played it, let alone the original.
And before you mention the eternal ferrystone from the original, that came with the expansion, not the release.
It’s ok that I can buy in game currency for my singer player game! It’s fine! It’s good actually! Recruiting high level companions, a THING THEY BUILT INTO THE BASE GAME DELIBERATELY THEN LET YOU PAY EXTRA FOR, using in game currency I can buy isn’t pay2win. Recruiting companions isn’t even core gameplay if they’re strong enough, bro.
It’s ok that Capcom sent reviewers a game without micro transactions that were in retail! That’s fine, it’s fine! The microtransactions were paying for now were expansions before so it’s uh…it’s better, yeah. I actually prefer my $70 USD single player games to have gameplay benefitting microtransactions.
You sound like you’ve swallowed the boot my guy. You’re so far gone you can’t see the way back. Glad you’re enjoying the game, though. Sounds like it was worth it to you.
I’m gonna ignore all that stuff you extrapolated from my strawman.
Anyway, of course I’m enjoying it! I loved the original and this is the same and more. This is a great game with BS corporate microtransactions sprinkled in. I agree that the MTXs are BS, but saying that the game was designed around baiting the player into using them outs you as someone that wouldn’t enjoy the first one nor the intended gameplay, so it’s kinda pointless dosucssing further.
Have fun lying to yourself about the intended mechanics I guess.
Even if you don’t play mobile games, this is a good read: https://www.darkpattern.games/
You’re not supposed to actually know anything about the game here. This is purely a thread for circlejrrking based off of what YouTubers said
Full price games with microtransactions are negative, end of story. Everybody saying otherwise grew up after they where implemented in every other game so they don’t know better.
They got trained, like animals, to swallow that shit.
I grew up after them. I think they’re fine in certain circumstances. If the game is supposed to have free content updates for weeks and months and whatever else after launch then yeah sure, why not
I get what they mean. A lot of the MTX seems to be items that you genuinely would find very readily in the game. Paying simply gives you a type of “very easy” mode if you’re for some reason inclined.
It’s a…. Strange decision, as it makes the game look bad. But by all accounts it doesn’t really impact the gameplay of the game. It’s just like giving you the option buy Phoenix Downs in Final Fantasy with real money. You… can. You really don’t need to, 98% of players won’t.
It’s goofy more than anything. I guess I’d rather have it rather than day 1 expansion packs like Mass Effect had.
I love how certain consumers seems to have trained away their gag reflex.
The thing is they made these features as part of the core gameplay then charged for them. It isn’t like you’re paying for a boost or game mode or special companion or something. You’re given the option to earn these features through playing a single player game or pay money and get them faster.
Literally carving out chunks of the base game and offering them up for money as if it is added value. The only value is saving time IN A SINGLE PLAYER GAME. If your single player game has elements that are so tedious or cumbersome that people will literally PAY MORE MONEY to get them on their terms you purposefully built a worse game than you could have.
I got AC:Odyssey during one of the sale cause I dig Greek mythology, had to get cheat engine and spare me the grind for upgrading gears and ship. Like sure you can just keep picking up randomly dropped Epic/Rare and replacement them when you leveling up(there are even player quest that put in specific spot to give you resource for those upgrades, just so other players can farm it) But I ain’t get any time for that, I just cheat engine in max out resource and upgrade my Legendary gears I found through out the game. And you know what? By the end of the game(and I didn’t find every Legendary, like maybe 60~70% of them) it would take me setting the resource to max twice to fully upgrade all my legendary + epic(with perks I like) gears. It would take probably months of my gaming time should I got it on console and can not use cheat engine.
No, upgrade gear is not required to finish the game. But after this experience I decides to never get another Ubisoft AC game nor any RPG on console or with always online feature(which means all transaction are done and authenticated to prevent cheating. ) I’ve done plenty open world, RPG, Monster Hunters without having to cheat. But the recent single player grinding + selling time saver booster pack make me whip out the cheat engine again. And I only cheat those stupid resource gating game that are designed to pad hours in to your play through.
Jupp. The thing with selling booster is that the company is saying “our game isn’t worth your time so here is a way to skip playing the game”.
Like wtf? I pay money for a game to pay money to skip the game?
I can’t fathom how people are willing to do that.
Like going to the movies, paying for a ticket, giving the cashier like 10bugs extra and the you go home without watching the movie.
If someone would tell you they do this you would think they are fucking crazy.
Yeah, they know they are doing though, they are aiming for those that work 9-5 have life and kids and some spare changes and milk them hard. Like this game would take 200 hours to complete fully with X hundreds of hours of post game content that was designed to make your grind, but you can also pay for this [xp booster, resource pack, legendary set, etc] to make sure you can enjoy the post game content if you don’t have the time to grind the game how it’s “meant to be played”.
In my AC:Odessey example, I think at one point the designer might be doing a heavy zelda influenced where you just pick up stuff enemies dropped and the blacksmiths are there for you to repair items broken as resource dump. (which make sense and very fitting of that era and how resource would work) But once that MTX department put their finger in now you have a derailed system. There is a spread sheet that list the hours required to upgrade a legendary piece to which level, and recommended level to get them(as their starting level is fixed and not like the enemy droppped item that matches your level), I saw the numbers and downloaded the cheat engine table the next hour.
Especially ones like Minotaur who just started commenting on Lemmy 3 days ago…
What timing.
Edit: don’t forget that sometimes people post in defederated instances and sometimes app developers for your lemmy app are so behind that shit isn’t even loading for you properly anymore
Not everything has to be a conspiracy, stupid people are created often.
Not stating anything as fact.
Just pointing out what facts were there and my obvious feelings about said fact.
But okay ig you can put me in that boat if you really want.
No you aren’t. You just made it up. I have comments going back months
This app I’m using doesn’t show all the posts or the instances you post in are defederated from my instance.
My bad. I’ll delete the og comment
I am not stupid because I have a differing opinion about video games than you do. Touch grass.
No I didn’t? I’ve had this account for months. I’m even a donor
Not only are you conspiratorial - you’re just wrong.
I again, never said anything about conspiracy, was just pointing out what I was able to see. Like I said in my other comment, I can only see shit you’ve been commenting up to a day ago. So either the app I’m using is busted as fuck, your instance is busted as fuck, or some other option - but I’ve only ever commented on what I was able to see.
Hopefully you understand where I’m coming from here.
I saw this same thing with games like Dead Space 3. They included a cash shop, very likely hard-pushed by some asinine executive. But, you could tell by playing the game, the majority of developers likely tested with that feature off. Was it a fun game? No, but resource starvation was not the reason for that.
Basically it feels like the hands trying to microtransact for singleplayer games are not the same as the ones designing those games to begin with. It still deserves negative attention, just nuance.
You are basically betting on the developers being bad at their jobs and not being able to do what they are clearly trying to do, which is making people but microtransactions.
“They” is far, far, far too encompassing a word. If you’ve worked in any organization such as this, especially these days, they involve so many different companies (yes, more than one studio works on a game now) with so many different teams all under a publishing studio whose head may never have even played any of this genre of game.
So, a developer in one studio is often just trying to make a good RPG in their debug build (and insists no/light fast travel for world-immersion reasons), and only hears over the grapevine “Wait…they took the complaints about no fast-travel and made it a DLC? That sounds terrible, gamers will hate that.” Multiple people across the credits can have varying intentions.
Your comment made me giggle. Thanks for the fun!
It “stinks”, but I don’t really care if the game is good without interacting with the MTX at all. I just don’t
Gamers throw a fit when content is locked behind a paywall because it is somehow unfair. Gamers are currently throwing a fit about content not being locked behind a paywall because that is also somehow unfair. Does that make sense to you?
It seems to me that this publisher heard the complaints about the way microtransactions were being implemented and decided to give people what they were asking for and now they’re getting crucified for it. Gamers got what they wanted. If that wasn’t what they really wanted they should have been asking for something else.
Uh fast travel and character appearance change? This isn’t some extra health potions. They’ve carved off part of the UI.
Selling character changes when you can’t start a new game without deleting all game data and cache.
You can do both of those easily for in game money.
Why? Is there some kind of real cost to changing appearance or fast travel that it needs to be limited? Or is that there solely so they can sell MTX?
I’m playing Baldur’s Gate 3 right now and you can do both at any time for free. It’s literally a standard UI thing across games with large maps and character creators.
Hey, why even have to buy dyes? The game should give them all to you for free. And supplies can be gathered, you should just get infinite supply packs too
You uhhh… You buy dyes and supplies?
Pay no attention to Asterion in the corner.
The microtransactions are bad enough, but the fact that none of these were present in the build given to reviewers just makes it worse. I mean people would still be complaining about them, but I don’t think the backlash would be as bad if Capcom had made it clear from the start that the game was going to be riddled with microtransactions.
I haven’t followed the whole thing as I didn’t have any desire to play the game, but assuming that’s true that’s a seriously shitty move and had to be intentional. Is there not some kind of bait and switch laws that would apply here?
Capcom have been doing this for a while now. It’s very sad. (Edit: weird autocorrects)
Wouldn’t that mean the reviewers were starved for fast travel, and would have thus complained about it? That seems to be the narrative a lot of people are suggesting - that the DLC makes the game playable.
Unless I’m misunderstanding and reviewers got infinite fast travel.
From what I understand, fast travel isn’t locked behind microtransactions, despite some claims I’ve seen. You can buy an item that you can place that lets you teleport back to that point, kind of like fast traveling to a map marker. These items are available in game along with fixed fast travel points between major cities. So the reviewers would have had access to fast travel they just wouldn’t have been able to use real money buy them whenever they needed them.
Feels a bit like if they had DLC for ammo in a Resident Evil game. The design of those games is very clearly intended to be around partial ammo starvation, to get you to aim better, choose varying weapons, and sometimes run away. But, I can imagine a small team of publishers deciding “People want ammo? Let’s let them buy it!” It’d be very easy for players to presume the base game has been made worse as a whole, and that opinion will become hard to quantify - unless very nuanced reviewers can just pretend the DLC doesn’t exist.
Not only isn’t it locked behind DLC, it’s incredibly cheap, and unlike a lot of titles will take you to places you haven’t even been yet. I’m talking about the ox carts, of course. Not only that, ferrystones are available for only 10k (money is relatively easy to come by). What exactly does the store have in it that is required, or even kinda necessary for convenience?
We are back to the arcade era where you had to put in more coins to get lives and the games are intensionally hard and unfair to get more coins.
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This is what I was afraid of 15 years ago. I couldn’t tell you the last time I bought a AAA game. This release is so disgusting.
They expect you to spend $60 on a game plus microtransactions?
I put away 50 to 100+ hours into games that cost me $15. Why doesn’t everybody else do this? Does high-end 3D graphics actually matter that much to people?
$70 nowadays.
Get fucked Capcom. Can always dig through backlog until it’s reasonably priced and not a buggy mess.
Japanese company and poor business decisions are a match made in heaven. After success its almost like they race to shoot themselves in the foot.
EA, Activision blizzard, Ubisoft, 2k games and many more. I think you meant “AAA gaming companies and poor business decisions are a match made in heaven”.
We’ll watch From Software’s career with great interest.
Chess is free. No DLC. I have never stopped playing.
Chess is free to play now, but for centuries it was more like shareware.
What do you mean?
You can play online and there are tons of free apps, but it used to be that someone had to purchase a set to be able to share it with their friends. Though since making copies would have been difficult I guess it would have been more like Mario Party than the first nine levels of Doom.
The issue was never having the set, you can make one in an afternoon with scrap wood. The problem is having other people who want to play whenever you want to play.
But doesn’t shareware refer to software that is distributed freely, playable (maybe with limitations on how far you can play into the game, or how long you can play it for free) but it’s generally a proprietary game that is distributed through this model? I may not have a perfect grasp on the precise meaning of shareware.
I see chess more like abandonware - if someone developed a proto-chess game and didn’t assert their ownership over the IP (recognising that this happened before copyright and IP were understood concepts), doesn’t that make it effectively free to play, noting you of course need a board to play?
Maybe an ancient and highly modded board game doesn’t translate that well to a software/copyright analogy. Also you lost me on your comparison between Mario Party (I think you mean only one person needs to own the game) and the first levels of Doom (which are more like a demo). I don’t see either of these as shareware, though I guess a freely playable demo is a form of shareware with my understanding of the term above!
I feel like there used to be a time where we didn’t pay the canada tax on games
It does, unsurprisingly.
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I couldn’t tell you the last time I bought a AAA game.
BG3
It’s kind of telling that when I play BG3 I can never label it a AAA game. My heart just doesn’t accept it.
I’d give it a zero out of ten just for being an RPG with a single save slot. They failed at the starting line. The got the core of RPGs completely wrong. Taking a shit on it with MTX seems like this was deliberate self sabotage
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I wish people would vote with they’re wallets and be more conscious with they’re spending habits.
It’s the most bizarre and almost worrying thing now how much video games have transitioned into this “game of the month” thing - where seemingly everyone with a computer all goes and buys the same game each month because it got hyped up by the twitch steamers they watch or whatever.
Just strange. “Are you playing Lethal Company? Everyone’s playing it. Oh, you wanna play Lethal Conpany? Everyone’s playing Palworld now. Oh shit man, we’re not playing that anymore, Dragons Dogma 2 is out”
It would make less sense if the games were single player and full price, but Lethal Company, Palworld, and Helldivers 2 are all at $40 or below for the base games and have a multi-player experience.
Of course people are going to jump on lower priced multi-player games with positive word of mouth quickly so they can play with their friends and get a few dozen hours or more entertainment.
I noticed this after a hiatus from my gamer friend, when I reunited with them a few months back I saw how games would release and they’d buy it, even defend some aspects like kernel level anti cheat/micro-transactions as well as bad game design.
The hive mind seems somewhat new to me like I’d dabble with a few titles a year while spending considerably more time than the average gamer on my PC. And the fast action from lethal company to plate up to velhaim to palword/and hell divers over the last few months has been jarring maybe concerning too
Are they playing on console? A lot of those times the problems just aren’t equally represented, like when Wild Hearts came out and ended up with Mixed reception although buying on console I simply didn’t have the performance problems and enjoyed the game as a unique take on MH gameplay
The fast pace certainly comes from console subscriptions and trying to eke out as much value from Game Pass or PS+ Extra, on both the consumer and publisher sides. If I’m regularly paying for it, I’m gonna keep looking for new value in it, and conversely MS and Sony will look to keep adding value to it at a consistent rate. It’s simply far too much income to not throw everything at the wall to prevent it stagnating
pc but some of my buds are on pc and console, constantly hearing about game pass :P idk when it come to subscription services its normal for the initial few years to be packed with plenty to capture a large pool of customers, operating at a near loss, then prices go up and content declines. hopefully this doesn’t happen with game-pass
Those people have always been around. They want to be a part of the current conversation. And that’s cool. There are plenty of people who wait years to play games until the ultimate version with all DLC goes on sale for 50% off. I’m one of those people. But I also don’t care about being a part of the conversation. I’m just a patient gamer who never spends more than 15$ for a game.
Eh, maybe 20 these days. 15 was a decade ago.
Yep, and it was probably even way worse before the internet with few outlets to let people know about games, and way less resources to get different opinions on the matter.
I don’t know if it was really worse, but magazines did cost money.
Most magazines that I used to buy had coverdisks with demo versions.
If the demo was no good it didn’t matter what the review said. And they can’t really get away with describing things that are proven false in the demo.
Worst thing would be a great demo but very little more in the main game.
But I wasn’t going to pay a lot for a game if I’d not played the demo a lot.
Frankly that also proved it’d run ok on my usually very old HW.As for getting lots of other peoples opinions - not as important if you have a decent demo.
Issue is even knowing about the games existence. So I would assume back then that it would be games that had marketing budgets and pushed by big publishers that ended up even being in a position to have a demo in a magazine. Now days games made by one dev can become hits out of nowhere to even their surprise.
shareware - I mean they probably didn’t make much money.
But apogee, epic, id all came fom releasing shareware initially.
but also nethack and all that stuff.I can’t really remeber how it worked, but i think you got these bundles of paper stapled pamphlets for free with hundreds of shareware packages listed with a few lines of text describing each one.
If you didn’t have BBS, you sent a real mail back to a distributor and they send you disks in the post ffor a fairly small charge.
Some shareware was so good the magazines had to cover it (for example, doom)
Also i think there just werent as many big budget titles back then (on PC),
Consoles probably had most of the money.
elite 2 was massive, but still only 1 bloke i think.
I’m doing my part to be part of the conversation by finally playing Dragon’s Dogma: Dark Arisen. It was in my library and I’ve never played it. Figured I’d check out what all the fuss is about without dropping $70 bucks.
I do. Enough games are coming out, this is getting skipped!
I’m still playing Baldur’s Gate. And you know I never did the new game plus of Witcher 3 with the magic based armor.
At this point I have a back log of games. I don’t need to buy a new one.
I also have a backlog of games and my friend just spun up his Minecraft server again, so my friend group havr been playing that a lot. My coworker took a day off to play Dragons Dogma 2. I have no desire to play that game rn.
*their
That ship sailed 15 years ago with the horse armor
People
neverusually never vote with their wallet and gaming industry is way too big for people voting with their wallet to even matter, since it’s not a niche hobby. So bad press is the best outcome possible.The negative press you speak of leads to the same collective action you said people never do lol so voting with ones wallet does work
Someone had to buy those games in the first place to leave those negative reviews on Steam.
You’ll never convince me the problem isn’t children. When I say children as old man I think sub 18, these spikes are playground purchases.
I’ve waited ten years for this game and am loving playing it now that it’s out but I’m still giving a negative review and not buying any MTX.
I was thinking that Horizon Forbidden West had fucked up again and set their PC release for the same day as Dragon’s Dogma 2.
But for once it actually worked out in their favour. Dragon’s Dogma 2 has an awful PC port, while HFW is running very well.
Except that it runs like shit on consoles too
The original dragons dogma had poor quality of life features and its arguably a large part of the appeal. No fast travel, no multiple saves. If you didn’t like your little ai character you had to advance pretty far to change it (and the same with fast travel, it sort of existed and was a surprisingly cool unique system but you had to get through a lot of the game for it). I’d compare it in a lot of ways to the first dark souls as far as not following gaming industry trends.
I was hoping dragons dogma 2 was more of the same honestly, I don’t think I care if travel stones can be purchased or whatever. Is it a bad game for those that liked the first one?
I think the hate is them essentially selling a difficulty slider.
Been playing it since release and I have to say I quite like it. The mtx is less intrusive than Dragon Age Origins’ DLC (no mention in game at all versus “There’s a person bleeding out on the road, if you want to help him please go to the store page”).
So far, the game is a buttery smooth 60 fps at 4k max graphics + FSR3 w/o ray tracing except for inside the capital city (running 7800x3d with a 7900xtx). The only graphics complaint I have is the FSR implementation is pretty bad, with small amounts of ghosting under certain lighting conditions. There’s also a noticeable amount of input lag compared to the first game: not game breaking, but if you do a side-by-side comparison it’s pretty obvious.
Sure the game has its issues, but right now this looks like something that I enjoy. Games don’t need to be masterworks to be fun (my favorite games are some old niche JRPGs that have been absolutely demolished by reviewers at the time), and right now I think it’s money well spent.
I’ll most likely end up picking it up and I’m glad it runs well. The reception has been wild to me. I loved all the jankiness of dragon’s dogma but I feel like a lot of people are buying this sequel and not knowing what to expect
I wonder how many of those critically acclaimed reviews are going to be Rewritten. Certainly you’d have to be a completely lacking Integrity not to realize you were Bamboozled when you’re giving a different product than the public is to review.
Saw this game on PS5 and was about to get it when I saw all the “packs” and other bull shit. Noped right out.
This gives me hope that all gamers won’t just roll over and take it. But Capcom could react in different ways, they could do better or they could just quit releasing games on Steam. Wonder if they have already asked if Steam could disable reviews for them?
I’ve got 15 hours in it and have played all weekend.
There are some performance issues, but overall, I’ve had a blast playing it.
All of the game content is accessible for the sticker price you paid, so yeah, I couldn’t care less about the microtransaction aspect of things.
It sucks that micro transactions exist at all, but I’ve been playing the game and haven’t even opened the store at all, and the game seems pretty good. Is there any actual negativity on the actual game play, or is all the negativity sorry about the micro transactions? Because if that’s the only drawback, then that’s not really that bad.
I like RPG games, however I don’t like it when the company has the ability and incentive to bate and switch my game into a worse version after I bought it.
Denuvo forces me to be connected to the internet, which makes playing the game on the move difficult or even impossible. It also allows them to make sure that the most current version is played. MTX means they don’t have incentives to fix the game and instead sell you the fixes, or even enshittyfy it, to squeeze out more money.
This gives me the incentive to wait a couple of years, until the game doesn’t receive any updates anymore, and then decide if the final product is worth it. And hope that I will get a good experience out of it, before the Denuvo activation servers are shut down.
So you have to wait for a few years, in order to know if the gameplay is (and stays) any good.
A lot of players were having crashing on startup or during character creator, so that could account for some valid criticism. But from those who have it running well (according to two of my buddies so totally anecdotal) the gameplay is pretty great.
I had heard PC was having some issues with that, but to be honest, that’s nearly every release these days. But I can understand why it might be frustrating.
My personal complaints (despite enjoying the gameplay):
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Input lag. It’s negligible compared to other games, but comparing it to DDDA it feels much higher (meh vs “oh wow this is smooth!”)
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FSR. There is definitely something wrong with the FSR implementation here, because there are minor traces of ghosting that are not present in other games. Rotate your character in the character selection screen, or look at a pillar with water as the backdrop with light rays nearby. That being said, it becomes less obvious during actual gameplay. I do hope that this will be fixed though.
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