Love it.
Steve Jobs once called the personal computer a bicycle for the mind; ChatGPT is a wheelchair for the mind. There is no shame in using a wheelchair if you need one, but if you don’t need one and use one anyway, you will come to need it.
I’d say chatgpt is more like a self-driving tesla stuck in huge traffic. you don’t have any control, it can break down easily, you’re moving slower than a bike, all the while thinking that people who chose the bike to avoid the traffic are losers.
Steve Jobs also thought eating fruit could cure cancer…
Damn, that’s a good metaphor. Gonna steal that for myself.
this metaphor is ableist because nobody is pushing wheelchair use on abled people, unlike ChatGPT. and no, abled people won’t become “dependent” on wheelchairs because they’ll realize how miserable life is when you’re barred from most public establishments.
most of the people perceived as “faking it” are just disabled people who can’t afford a diagnosis or won’t be diagnosed by medics due to racism, fatphobia, etc.
But if you start consistently using a wheelchair when there is no physical reason for you to use one, will your muscles not atrophy, thereby making you need it?
I don’t think this metaphor is inherently ableist. That wheelchairs aren’t being pushed onto anyone isn’t really relevant, nor is the fact that very few people fake needing a wheelchair. I don’t think the person you replied to was shaming anyone for “faking it.” Just saying that if you don’t need a wheelchair, it’s probably a bad idea to use one.
Just saying that if you don’t need a wheelchair, it’s probably a bad idea to use one.
it is ableist though, because we get told we don’t need to use one every single day. this stems from ableds vilifying wheelchair use as a “downgrade on the human experience” as opposed to a liberation tool, which is what it actually is.
their metaphor wouldn’t even exist if this mentality wasn’t normalized.
But… the person you’re replying to didn’t say you don’t need to use a wheelchair. They said that if someone genuinely doesn’t need to use a wheelchair, using one will likely have negative effects. Which is just, like, true? In my head, it’s roughly akin to saying, “If you consistently take a medication you don’t need, you’re probably going to wind up needing a different medication to counteract the negative effects of the medication you unwisely took.”
You’re completely right that wheelchairs are liberation tools and shouldn’t be vilified. And as someone who needs medical intervention to survive, I understand your frustration with ableist rhetoric. I just think your reading of this one is a bit off the mark.
…LLM users displayed the weakest connectivity. Cognitive activity scaled down in relation to external tool use… LLM users also struggled to accurately quote their own work. While LLMs offer immediate convenience, our findings highlight potential cognitive costs. Over four months, LLM users consistently underperformed at neural, linguistic, and behavioral levels.
Outsourcing thinking from your brain to an AI literally makes you dumber, less confident in the output, and teaches you nothing.
Call me a Luddite or a hater, but if you’re one of the people who uses AI as a shortcut to actual thought or learning, I will judge you and disregard your output and opinions. Form your own basis of understanding and knowledge instead of a teaspoon deep summary that is frequently incorrect.
They say that, when making an Anki deck, using it is only half the battle because a lot of the learning comes from the act of making it yourself. That advice is older than these LLMs and it really showcases a big reason why they suck. Personally, I haven’t even used autocorrect since 2009.
Being a luddite I feel requires having a highly abstinence-only approach. Knowing what is worth off-loading and what is worth doing yourself is just being smart. I’m really glad that I don’t need to know every detail of modern life but I still take a lot of pride in knowing how quite a lot of it works.
Personally, I haven’t even used autocorrect since 2009
Genuinely the weirdest flex I have ever seen.
Oh for sure, I won’t argue that, but it does explain my point. Even when I use a program with the squiggly red line I correct it myself so that I can reinforce the correct spelling.
Same with using a calculator, no? Or not memorising log tables.
Better comparison would be opening a song on radio and saying “see I can produce music.” You still don’t know about music production in the end.
Personally dont think that’s a good comparison. I would say it’s more like taking a photo and claiming you know how to paint. You’re still actually cre a ting something, but using a digital tool that does it for you. You chose the subject and fiddle with setting to get a better image closer to what you want and then can take it into software to edit it further.
Its art in its own right, but you shouldn’t directly compare it to painting.
Even that is a bad analogy, it’s like commissioning a painter to paint something for you, and then claiming you know how to paint. You told an entity that knows how to do stuff what you wanted, and it gave it to you. Sure, you can ask for tweaks here and there, but in terms of artistic knowledge, you didn’t need any and didn’t provide any, and you didn’t really directly create anything. Taking a decent photo requires more knowledge than generating something on ChatGPT. Not to mention actually being in front of the thing you want a photo of.
I think my analogy is more accurate
Care to explain? I think your analogy gives the credit of art creation to someone who didn’t create art, and thus is flawed.
I mean i think i explained myself quite well already, and not to be insulting to you, but i dont think you’re willing to accept any argument i would make that goes against what you already beleive, since your argument against it simply you asserting your own beliefs (that AI art isnt art) as an immutable fact
“If only I’d programmed the robot to be more careful what I wished for. Robot, experience this tragic irony for me!”
I delivered pizza during COVID and most people I worked with couldn’t follow simple directions to an address or read a road map. If a destination didn’t show up on their cellphone’s navigation then they were immediately and hopelessly lost.
If you don’t use and exercise your brain then it atrophies and dies. AI is going turn a lot of people into conscious vegetables.
We need to teach people curiosity. I use my GPS all the time because of construction and stuff but I also look at the route before I leave so that I know where I’m headed on my own, too. Meanwhile I know people who’ve lived in a city for decades and still can’t get around it without help.
We need to teach people curiosity.
This is called being a lifelong learner. Learning something new every week, or even daily, no matter how small, will always improve your life. It keeps your mind active and it adds to your problem solving.
So tell me how using a technology that can help summarize topics, create transcripts from meetings, and act like a teacher to ask questions too prevents this from happening? We need to teach people how to use the tools at hand pretending they dont exist won’t put the genie back in the bottle it will only further excasbate the problem. Yes using gen ai to write your paper for you is a terrible use case. Feeding it a research paper and asking it to break it down into simpler topics so one can build their knowledge and asking for it to help with creating a bibliography on a paper so you can worry about the information at hand instead of trying to remember the syntax for the myriad of different ways one can site sources on the other hand is extremely useful and helps contribute to lifelong learners.
I’m just going to leave this here. Title is a bit clickbait-y, but it’s a good video. https://youtu.be/DNE0sy7mR5g
Summarizing topics is nothing more than Cliffs Notes, and if you got caught using those, you were busted. You needed to do the work and read the whole thing to complete the assignment. Shortcuts mean you lose things that may be important.
Transcripts are fine if you are actually there, voice to text is never perfect. People have accents and computers mess up words that sound alike, accent or not. People don’t always pronounce correctly.
Asking an LLM to teach you something is never going to work out until the creators specifically feed it valid, true information, not scrape the internet and people’s text messages. And then you need to teach it to think like a Human, which it never will.
Feeding it a research paper seems like it might work out, but that deprives you of the ability to problem solve. You need to learn to be organized, take notes in a structured manner, choose what you believe is pertinent information in that paper. You participate, not passively get told what it is. This is a brain expanding activity. You are connected, that’s how we learn.
I am very pro computer and automation. Computers are there to help us save time on tasks that take a lot of time, and repetitive tasks. Screwing bolts onto tires in a car factory is hard on Humans for 8 hours, robots can do it. But having AI write junk articles that make no sense to fill up websites is a greedy money grab, and distorts facts. I don’t need Google telling me to put glue in my pizza cheese, or to shove my dick in a loaf of bread to see if it’s done. And now all the ‘AI’ owners want to scan every personal thing you have on your phone, computer, social media, and here in the US, all of our private government data.
Welcome to 1984, run by clowns. No one is putting in the hard work required to make any of the public tools do what is claimed on the label. It’s just invasive technology right now that produces less than stellar products and infringes on so many Human Rights in the process.
I appreciate your thoughtful critique of AI tools and their limitations. You’re right that voice-to-text technology isn’t perfect, especially with accents and pronunciation variations. These are genuine challenges that need addressing. There are so many tools about AI transcript, such as transcriptly, those tools can extract the text subtitle by AI, but just text, no accents and pronunciation variations.
Your point about human engagement in learning is crucial. AI should augment human capabilities, not replace the critical thinking and problem-solving skills that come from active participation.
Privacy and data security concerns you raise are absolutely valid. Any AI tool worth using should prioritize user privacy with transparent policies and robust protection measures.
The key is finding the right balance - using AI for what it does well (like initial transcription) while maintaining human oversight for quality, context, and meaning. For instance, while tools can convert speech to text, humans are still needed to interpret, organize, and apply that information meaningfully.
What specific aspects of AI technology would you like to see improved to better serve human needs while addressing your concerns?
Let’s be honest though if there were sex bots AI would be even more popular than it already is
Well I have news for you, my friend.
(Shows all the weird sex AI chatbots)
Nah, man. That won’t cut it.
The day real doll bots can suck dick without me doing anything but watch and enjoy, that’s the day I’ll get one and become asocial.
if that was available, i think it would be harder for alt-right extremism to take hold
I don’t want to steer the conversation towards U.S. politics. Let’s focus on making sex robots that look like Margot Robbie happen once and for all.
not even just the US but everywhere!
i feel like if everyone could get their PP touched the world would be a better place! and it truly wouldn’t matter if what was touching ones PP was a robot/device/ combination of devices or just another human being. (with their own addictions, triggers, baggage, debt, preconceptions about what the PP holder has to do to justify feeling such a connection)
i know this sounds like Incel talk but that’s precisely the kind of person that can easily get roped into malicious ideologies because nobody wants to suck on their ridiculous unwashed genitals.
those types of people could unload their genetic material into something that will keep them from being unwilling parents forced to raise another human with potentially similar values.
i see a lot of good in a world like that
You all need to read up on Marxism and capitalist alienation
Care to elaborate?
I’m sure it’s a repost, but i always love to see it lol
I do to, it always ruffles a bunch of feathers.
The volume on the ruffling is up since last time, which i find very interesting. Like even if you made this bit about something i did, like websearching, i wouldn’t get so tilted.
I wonder what it is about llms that gets people so defensive.
I’m sure it’s a lot of things. The bottom line, though, is that the fruit is too sweet. And so you get a dynamic very similar to veganism, climate change, health-conscious eating, anti-smoking, etc., where people want to behold their fruits without feeling like they’re villains for it—criticism of smoking is to criticise a person for smoking as well, you see? It becomes like a moral failing of their character. It’s just insecurity.
Bitcoin didn’t really catch on because, besides money laundering schemes, it doesn’t really have a purpose. But AI has lots of purposes. It eases the burden of writing, it can do your homework for you, it’s a better search engine because google sabotaged their own, it can generate DnD assets for “free”—and lastly, this is a really big one, it fills an emotional niche in lonely people.
I can’t promise that in a world where people didn’t live their whole lives in suburban houses, in small bedrooms, on their computer all day with remarkably few friends, that people wouldn’t take to gen AI as much as they do, but it’s certainly not helping.
I dunno man. That’s a deep dive. I’m not talking to it like it’s my girlfriend, sometimes I need to make a PowerPoint and there’s an image that I think would convey a point. I lack the artistic skills to produce it so I use an Ai help every once and awhile. I’m not convinced I’m as terrible and lonely a person as you make me out to be but I’ll ask my psychiatrist about it just in case.
sometimes I need to make a PowerPoint and there’s an image that I think would convey a point.
Don’t worry, we’re all here to help you out.
- You can use GIMP to put images on top of one another.
- You can draw stick figures and other “shorthands” for objects.
- There’s this video here that can show you other tools for illustration rather than using AI.
- It’s also a good idea to get into a type of drawing, where instead of detailed illustration, it deals with visualizations such as maps, graphs, and flowcharts. You might want to practice that.
Also, you might just find an image that is pre-generated by some douchebag and ends up in your search results. The main thing you don’t want to do is generate any new material.
I wasn’t worried. I would need to share Lemmy’s glaring hatred for AI to be motivated to invest that sort of time commitment. At my current state of bland boredom, I’m not there. Maybe if it takes my job or fucks my wife I’ll get back to you, but I’m not big into fear. Any tool can be a weapon, any tool can be misused, AI is just another tool. It’s not a cancer and its not a religion.
Boredom? I’m not bored. I’m fucking terrified of the government and the people behind it.
This is such a weird take.
Oh poor baby, you need a wittle spell check to make sure you don’t mess up the words in your important email?
Oh little loser, you gotta have an automatic transmission to make the car go vroom vroom?
Oh Mr. has-a-life, you have to pull out Shazam instead of knowing 8 million songs by heart?
All of us use technology to make our lives easier, to supplement skills we don’t want to sink perfectionist-level time into, to enjoy “good enough” results in one area or another.
This kind of holier-than-thou hyperbolic snobbery does nothing to generate actual thoughtful reflection of where to draw the line with technology dependence and only distracts and detracts from actually good critiques of generative AI’s ethics and other negative effects. I wish this sub didn’t allow low-effort meme posts because it’s such a brain rot circle-jerk.
Yeah, think I’m going to go ahead and block this sub.
You said something here that is pertinent, but also revealing. We all use technology everyday to make our lives easier, but does it? The automatic transmission cited above allowed anyone with a pulse the ability to get behind the wheel of a car rather than putting in any effort to acquire the skill to operate a motor vehicle. Great for the people who built our car-ciety, we have all suffered for it, including inaccessible essential services w/o one and getting stuck in traffic caused in the most part by people who should never be behind a wheel of a car. Do you want people writing books and creating art that have no business writing books or creating art? Cause we’ve got that now. Great…
We all use technology everyday to make our lives easier, but does it?
🙄 Yes. If you disagree with something this obvious, please write me a lengthy letter explaining why and send it by horse & buggy mail carrier. I promise, I’ll read and respond just as soon as I’m able.
Do you want people writing books and creating art that have no business writing books or creating art?
🤮🤮🤮 Maybe we should require an intelligence test before allowing people to post their opinions on the internet too? Or have children?
If you actually think that disallowing some people to create art because they aren’t “good enough,” then you aren’t really defending art or artists at all.
The point is we value people who are at the top of their specific game for a reason. When the barriers to access are removed, that’s great, but it dilutes the end game product over all. Sorry not sorry. Easier lives makes dumber people I guess? Boy that’s so cool! I get it, busy people can use AI to make their days less busy, but people who aren’t too busy are using it and getting dumber for it. Prove me wrong. Yes technology has a myriad of benefits, but also a myriad of pitfalls too. Weird, eh? I’m not disallowing people from making art, but no one should or would buy it in a real world environment. I would ask, what value does it add to the world? Art is an expression of the artist interpreting the world. AI art is rubbish and it gives you exactly what you ask for. Cool? Maybe, but not art.
Again, this whole idea that you need to make an argument about the tradeoffs of technology in general in order to make an argument against AI is weak and needless. Do you have a smart phone you use the calculator on sometimes, or do you write out all your long-form division? Is everyone who owns a microwave, uses tax preparation software, or switches to an electric toothbrush just a lazy dumb-dumb in your mind?
When the barriers to access are removed, that’s great
but it dilutes the end game product over all.
AI art is rubbish and it gives you exactly what you ask for.
Cool? Maybe,
This is just talking out of both sides of your mouth trying to sound fair and balanced instead of actually making a good argument. “AI art is rubbish” – yes!!! We don’t need vacuous, hypocritical hot takes on using technology to say that.
That’s not the only thing I’m talking about, but it seemed relevant to the post? Way to fixate on one thing I am saying instead of just agreeing with me? I thought an argument was supposed to be thought out? I’m not just talking about AI though. I really hate the automatic transmission if you really want to know. Like, it doesn’t rule my life or anything, I just think it has allowed stupid people to get in my way. AI art is slop and I’m not afraid of being replaced. Just so we are clear!
Well, thanks to AI, art may soon die. Well, you’ve heard of AI agents. Those who control them will brazenly take over the market and push out real artists and writers, and then there’s this AI moderation. Damn, at this rate, authors will have to sell offline so their work doesn’t get stolen or banned, lol
and only distracts and detracts from actually good critiques
No, it doesn’t. You just want to be able to pick from your buffet of cake flavors without it being morally complicated. Gen AI is demon technology made by demons, and those demons deserve mockery and ridicule. It should be impolite to be this anti-social.
You want to get mad at how capitalist distort inventions into profit machines that continue to enshitify our lives so they can enrich themselves at the expense of others. Go right ahead but acting like a tool that is helpful in summarization and translation is some terrible plight on humanity is just simply put complete brain rot.
bruh, it’s literally a mockery. they are mocking the ineptitude of people who use AI.
way to overanalyze a tweet.
“You’re using your brain too much, just enjoy the ‘hUmOr’” as a defense of this is ironically the funniest thing in this thread.
I didn’t say it was humor. I said they are mocking them.
if your AI brainrot hadn’t been so severe you might have comprehended that.
Jesus dude, go touch some grass. you’re getting bent out of shape over such an insignificant piece of shit like me, it’s pathetic.
Pedantry. “Think less, shut up, accept what the algorithm feeds you from this sub without question” was still the basic gist.
🤷♂️ I’m drinking tea and having a nice day. Sorry you think I’m getting bent out of shape just because I’m critiquing your poorly thought-out comments. 🙂
you’re getting bent out of shape over such an insignificant piece of shit like me, it’s pathetic.
My guy it honestly sounds like you’re the one who needs to take a screen break more than I do. Be well.
