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Not only are we in the worst timeline…
I actually don’t have anything to add.
How did we get here? And even more terrifying how many people that actually went to go vote were surprised that Biden wasn’t on the ticket?!?!
And let me just go ahead and get myself in trouble. Fuck you every single person that didn’t vote for Kamala Harris that was eligible.
SPECIFICALLY…
Well I guess I don’t want to get in trouble that bad.
Yes, this is the fucking bullshit we live with. Due to our winner-take-all insanely backwards system…
I’m not technically allowed to properly criticize whomever didn’t show up to the polls.
Whatever groups they may or may not belong to.
Yeah I’m sounding like a motherfucking Maga bitch right now…
But guess what Arab Americans and black men??!?!!? ( if and only if those are demographics that didn’t show up to vote )
Get completely and totally fucked by the Trump administration. Has nothing to do with me and everything do with them
Edit:
For what it’s worth I’m terribly sorry for not including the Latino vote that went to Trump
Ultimately it doesn’t really matter which particular demographic I blame because the truth is I’m not blaming anyone in particular.
Fuck America, fuck me, and fuck Trump
Oh yeah, blame the black and brown people for seeing genocide as a red line in who to vote for. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
No of course we cannot blame voters for staying home. They had a gun to their head. On the plus side, Palestine has been SAVED! ❤️❤️❤️
Palestine was fucked regardless. Atleast one party was honest about it.
Which one was that?
Thank God Palestine is saved and all will be well there forever now huh
It was always a lost cause tbh
You are pushed from the 50th floor or the 100th floor. Doesn’t matter. You die the same.
Put yourself in a position where you get fucked just the same regardless of who you vote then you don’t have any incentive to vote at all.
I am not American so I say this as a neutral observing party that you guys tried to bully the Arab Americans into voting for dems and that dishonest plea by John Oliver that was actually insulting. Dems don’t have balls to take a side and then expect votes from all sides.
You are pushed from the 10th floor some time in the next week, or you are pushed from the 10th floor immediately and shot after impact.
Which is better?
And there it is, the fascist.
Really weird how everything liberals accuse leftists of is a projection.
How did we get here? Kamala didnt go on joe rogan thats how.
We got here because our candidate was someone who never won or placed well in a presidential primary.
Harris was such a bad candidate. Lost 2020, somehow went “I can excuse Biden’s racist policies that hurt me, that I publicly stated in a debate against Biden”, and then just did nothing note worthy as VP.
And then Biden stayed in past the (shit) primaries, went out in his own terms instead of listening to the public. So now Harris has less time to plan and figure out what works.
And then she just ignored what people wanted and gave Republicans answers.
The corporate interests couldnt risk bernie winning a primary
Bernie was a threat and that’s why he lost. Anyone who wants to help people in society are inherently against the corpse interests that have everyone under lock and key.
But guess what Arab Americans and black men??!?!!? Get completely and totally fucked by the Trump administration.
lmao scratched liberal moment.
Why not blame whites, both men and women, who actually voted for Trump, despite the dems abandoning their base to appeal to them?
It’s everyone’s fault. We both know it.
Btw i specifically said : anyone not voting for Harris. Including POSSIBLY those demographics
Where I was wrong was with how narrow the result would he. It wasn’t even Gore v Bush levels of close unlike when Lichtman’s 13 keys prediction previously failed. Kamala lost the popular vote to a convicted felon that tried to usurp democracy and is the reason why abortion is no longer a federal right. The Republicans spent the last few weeks crapping on Haitians and Puerto Ricans, yet won some districts with large Latino populations.
This is what happens when Democrats ignore their voter base and choose a cabal of unpopular and uncharismatic candidates to carry the torch. The bar is now so low that we need James Cameron to venture out into the Mariana Trench and lift it back up again…
Is there any chance that shit was rigged this time around? As an outsider it’s honestly just crazy to me that the difference can be so huge, almost unimaginable.
Is there any chance that shit was rigged this time around?
There’s always a chance of almost anything, but it is very slim (conspiracy theory) with no evidence to support it:
“Importantly, we have no evidence of any malicious activity that had a material impact on the security or integrity of our election infrastructure,” per the U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Director Jen Easterly.
Source: https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/news/statement-cisa-director-easterly-security-2024-elections
Even if it were - what are we gonna do about it? After shitting all over the place with their BS for the past four years, claiming an election is stolen has risen to “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” levels.
There would need to be a 4k video of Trump and cronies detailing exactly how they were going to do it, and every detail would need to be easily verified, and even then I’m not sure it would get enough traction to matter.
I don’t really think so, I think the Trump campaign is as surprised as the rest of us. Their plan to steal the election hinged on them calling the results into question and contesting the whole thing through the Trump-friendly Supreme Court.
I wonder if any of them are disappointed. They were planning for a coup, but they were given power freely.
Or it goes to show how much of a bubble we have here and how skewed the reporting in other countries is. So far there is absolutely no indication that it would be rigged and frankly the disconnect of the liberal online bubbles es emblematic for the disconnect of the Dem party from the people.
This definitely
We still don’t know what their “little secret” is.
Congratu-fucking-lations
I think inflation is the biggest part of why Trump won. People wrongly blamed Biden for it. I guess we’ll just have to learn some lessons again.
People learned a lesson the first time?!
Harris was popular when she first announced. She then proceeded to run to the cold dead embrace of the Biden campaign.
Progressive policy is more popular than any candidate, if they focused on rent control, free healthcare, free childcare, free college and other immediate, material improvements to people’s conditions, they’d have won in a landslide. Instead they abandoned the rest of the country to pursue the <10% of republicans who weren’t in the bag for Trump.
California Proposition 33. Repeals ban on local rent controls.
61.6% No · 52% reporting
That’s bizarre, were people confused by the wording? Was there a media blitz by local landlords? More people are renters than landlords so obviously the majority doesn’t want rent to be higher.
There was a massive media campaign against it. Every other political ad on tv was against it .
Progressive policies are popular until billionaires spend millions of dollars convincing people that the world will end if we help poor people a bit.
That’s true, we need a strategy to deal with the media.
The same thing could be observed when even the most right-wing democrats in 2020 were saying we need police reform, and in 2022, they were all talking about a made-up crime wave, or how every election until now, reliable dem voters understood immigration is a net positive for society, but suddenly they’re talking about how Kamala is going to secure the border
Harris was popular when she first announced.
I don’t think she was popular when first announced, rather the fact that not-Biden was popular.
I’m convinced that Biden would have won.
I personally believe that this is not Biden’s or Kamala’s fault. It’s the old-school Democrat establishment’s fault. They did Bernie dirty in 2016. And then they did the same to Biden in these elections. Lichtman predicted a Biden win, bad debate performance and all, and the dems fucked it up.
To be transparent, I still believed Lichtman when he said Harris would win. I will never believe in his stuff again, unless he adds new keys or something.
I personally believe that this is not Biden’s or Kamala’s fault. It’s the old-school Democrat establishment’s fault. They did Bernie dirty in 2016. And then they did the same to Biden in these elections.
Yes. Every time, even in 2020 when the mood of the country was very different, they are afraid to run anything other than center-right candidates because they “aren’t electable”. Guess what - your corporatist center-right candidates are consistently priming people to receive the protectionist messages from the fascists, Maybe fucking try something different some time, fucking DNC!
OK, the next question is: How do we convey this to liberals who think we want the dems to lose?
In the words of my boomer mother, “Things aren’t going to get better until the boomers die off.”
It’s probably not even boomers anymore. This community, full of everything from hardcore progressives to literal communists, has gone feral defending Harris’s disaster of a campaign. You couldn’t, and still can’t, call the DNC out for running a horrible candidate with a horrible (nonexistent) platform without being called a troll or a Russian bot. The new generation fell for the two party system hook, line and sinker.
I think y’all just need to come to terms that America is further right than the Democrat party, and the Democratic party moving left is not going to help them.
the Democratic party moving left is not going to help them.
How would we know that? They’ve never tried.
Because there’s no point flirting with the non-existent further left.
Huh? Obama won by getting leftist votes so that clearly isn’t true.
What leftist votes and in what numbers?
Absolutely.
Instead they abandoned the rest of the country to pursue the <10% of republicans who weren’t in the bag for Trump.
YES! I held my nose and voted for her, she turned her back on everything that looked like hope and change during her campaign. Her reaction to R looking weak was to jump to the right, somehow.
Having said that, anyone who needed to be wooed to not vote for Trump was a lost cause, but she literally turned away from every sort of policy decision that excites Democrats.
No she didn’t
I voted for Harris but I can’t help but feel democrats did this to themselves. We’ve held a decent amount of power over the last 20 years but have done shockingly little. Just slowly letting our country dry and shrivel, leaving people increasingly desperate. Times like these make people seek change, ANY CHANGE, including voting for a dictator. Status-quo politics will fail every time during times like these. Who wants to die slowly?
All authoritarian countries are born from desperation. Chinese communist party, Nazi Germany, the USSR, Iran, North Korea and soon America.
I don’t wanna hear any more moralizing and complaining from young leftists who can’t even be bothered to perform their civic duty and vote. Shut the fuck up. What happens to Gaza in 2025 is on you, not Harris or the Democrats. And when you bitch about the genocide, remember that you facilitated it. You gave up your duty and gave Netanyahu exactly what he wanted, a clear path.
Fuck conservatives always and forever.
America is a country full of stupid people.
To be fair, isn’t everywhere? Yeah I get it we have some real morons but the uneducated fucks that voted for Trump don’t define us
Sorry, we live in a democracy and the majority rules.
What point do you think you’re making?
That we are defined by them because we are a democracy, and pretending America is somehow good doesn’t change that.
I didn’t pretend America is good. It’s quite clearly a piece of shit. I won’t humor anymore snide bullshit because my point was very self evident
Yes, and I disagree with it. The uneducated fucks who voted for Trump most certainly define us.
Whatever helps you cope.
This is happening all over the world. The USA are just a little further ahead compared to Europe.
That’s true, but whataboutism doesn’t help much in a thread about the US election. Besides, in hardly any other democratic country in the world is the far-right or fascist candidate so obviously completely unsuitable: Trump has already been president and has previously made policies contrary to the interests of the idiots who voted for him; he has a criminal record for fraud and has been found guilty in various proceedings for many other crimes, such as sexual harassment, defamation and fraud amounting to millions. It doesn’t get any more obvious than that.
But the original comment, calling us all morons, is helpful?
No, of course not. It’s just that even people from other countries are pissed because the US elected Trump a second time. Now we have to deal with his horrible policies again. I personally think the man is a threat for the whole democratic world and because of his horrible positions on climate change and other issues even for the whole world.
And you’re right about all this, but calling us all idiots specifically is not helpful. Millions of Americans are incredibly upset by this. It will be disastrous and there’s not a fucking thing we can do. We voted and it didn’t matter.
I’m sorry if you took my comment that way. I’m really the very last person who wants to lump an entire country together. My point was simply that this election has once again shown that there are significant problems in the US (education, racism, corruption, inequality, etc.) that have allowed Trump to deceive the population yet again. To relativize now by pointing out that things are just as bad or even worse elsewhere in the world only distracts from the real issue in my opinion. Nevertheless, I wish you all the best and very much hope that you can somehow put a stop to Trump’s greed and his terrible ideology.
It’s not whataboutism when OC was the one saying it is a US specific issue
OC said America was full of stupid people. I can’t see how that means that the US would be the only country full of stupid people. Of course there are lots and lots of stupid people elsewhere. Pointing that out in the context of the US election sure sounds like whataboutism to me. My only point is that it does not make things any better just because there are other countries with similar issues. But I see what you mean and think you are right: maybe other countries can learn something from this debacle - I don’t have much hope anymore in that regard but we will see.
Errr… México says hi, we elected the fascist one by a huge landslide and it’s been doing fascist things since day 1 so… Even when it’s extremely obvious, people will still pick the worst one if it has enough astrosurfing behind them.
We’re doing shit about it too, still acting as if the fascists party would listen to reason and not as their cult leader tells them to.I’m from Germany and here, too, the fascists are unfortunately on the rise again - despite our terrible past. I realize, of course, that you can’t talk sense to them because they simply ignore arguments and cling uncritically to the lies of their leaders. Nevertheless, I think the situation in the USA is somewhat different, because Trump was already president in pretty much everyone’s lifetime and has only made policy for the super-rich; he has also been convicted of fraud several times and has also enriched himself from the general public (the list goes on). You would think that those who are not die-hard fascists, of which there are probably many, would take this as an opportunity to see through his lies about a better life for the little people. But unfortunately that didn’t happen, I can’t for the life of me understand why not. I mean if you understand stupidity as the inability to learn from mistakes, it seems extremely stupid to me to vote for Trump even a second time.
You think people go around understanding and learning, trying to be better or to prevent others from suffering the same fate… but you are wrong, most humans are resentful assholes, who only care about themselves and are happy with all the astrosurfing and the chance to be assholes to others, I suffered because of X, so you have to suffer through Y while I laugh at you.
The same thing happened here in México, the puppet’s campaign was empty, just promising to keep doing what the expresident told her to… and that was enough to win, nobody cared for anything else, just the promise to bribe the lowest class and force the rest into lowering their life quality.
I’ve been saying this for a while, but they abuse that decent people try to be tolerant of them, not to make them angry or insult them, trying to be the reasonable ones… if we keep this way they are going to keep going with nobody standing up to them.
I don’t really want to accept it, but you’re probably right.
Yeah but so many people here didn’t vote for him and are just as appalled, so when we’re lumped in with the people who did vote for him that’s gonna make people pretty defensive
Yes, I get that of course. I’m sorry for you and every other US citizen that did not vote for him. I’m from Europe and still posted some anti-Trump stuff because I despise him and everything he stands for. I think he is a threat for the whole world.
Thanks for trying to make us feel better, but…
Wow almost like people are getting sick of being told what to do and how to think by the woke ideology.
Just thought I’d drop this little tidbit… I tagged you a while ago “likes the R word a lot”. People are so predictable.
Predictability doesnt make me wrong.
But being a bigot sure as shit does
Welp i havnt done that.
You argued in favor of using the R word after using it. It’s not really debatable.
One thing I have noticed is that conservatives everywhere absolutely want to tell everyone else what to do, while crying like little snowflakes about ‘wokeism’ (and none of them can answer what it is).
Projection and all that.
If u could read u would see my definition in responce to the guy who asked. I really wouldnt consider myself a conservative either but since im not with you i must be your enemy.
Can you define exactly what woke ideology is?
Woke ideology is a social and philosophical movement that prioritizes identity politics, cultural Marxism, and social constructivism.
It emphasises:
- The importance of group identity over individual identity
- The existence of systemic oppression and power imbalances
- The need to challenge and dismantle these systems
Basicly
- Language policing
- Cancel culture
- Moral absolutism
- Compliance and conformity
This then meads to:
- Intellectual suppression
- Censorship
- Social conformity
- Divisiveness
Holy fuck, haha.
You are literally defining conservatives everywhere. Do you not fucking get it?
Get what?
And yeah the left and right of the political spectrum as well as the top and bottom are conjoined. Effectively the political spectrum is topologically a torus.
You can apply all of this to the Trump conservative movement, except that systemic oppression and power imbalances are treated as natural, and thus (at best) not something we need to be concerned about.
Really lets try it:
“The Trump conservative movement is a social and philosophical movement that prioritizes identity politics, cultural Marxism, and social constructivism.” - some guy on lemmy
I mean, Trump conservatism is clearly influenced and informed by post-modernist philosophy. Social constructivism is there in spades. Identity politics predate all of this and have been used by both sides extensively over time. Cultural Marxism… I’m not even sure what it is - sort of an amalgam of critical theory and (((them)))? Okay, you got me on that one.
Reads the term “Cultural Marxism”… stops reading.
And block the fucker too.
I hear what you’re saying, but… I’m no blocker.
I guess u cant see this but enjoy ur echo chamber. Its been proven echo chambers make people more extremist.
Hey it’s uh like when you grow a beard that seems like Marx would like it.
Why u gonna engage with the ideas or just sit their brooding with a disapproving look?
Imagine I was hungry and you kindly served up a platter of exotic and mysterious food but right in the middle of it there was a festering lump of rotten meat… suddenly I wouldn’t be so hungry. That’s how I feel whenever I encounter that term. There’s no great bogeyman controlling things - it’s just that humanity is slowly moving away from its obsession with invisible sky men telling everyone how to live.
Somehow vague and semi specific at the same time. Just dressed up crybaby bullshit for “I can’t insult minorities with impunity anymore!”
Mkre bad faith insults really?
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Lmao did you just make that up yourself?
No i asked my uncensored ai
At least you admit you actually can’t think for yourself
Did we huwt youw feewings?
No. You acted as though u had the right to tell me what to do and that i was a bad for how i was born. U judged me by the colour of my skin not the quality if my charecter, and i dont like that.
If that’s what you think equity looks like then I’d say any judgement of your character was likely spot on.
Whats wrong with my understanding of equallity? Please elaborate
Waste of time since your ability to read seems low. Equality ≠ equity
If you’re not a queer person of color this comment is so insanely ironic.
Why must i be a queer person of colour? Sounds like ur saying im not allowed to think or say this without being a queer person of colour. Did u just prove my point?
No you troglodyte, I’m saying you’re proving theirs.
Sorry you took our opposition to colonialism and white supremacy personally. Maybe you should think about why. That’s clearly not the intention.
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Oh okay, so trannies are your thing… whatever, colonialism and white supremacy were examples. You can say whatever you want, dude, and you clearly have on any number of occasions. Don’t mistake us calling you out for your bullshit for suppression of your free speech. As a self-proclaimed retard, I’m guessing you probably don’t fully understand the issues you’re talking about. I’d be more likely to call you ignorant, which is fine, because ignorance can be cured.
All we can see here is the quality of your character. And guess what
Was i talking about u (as in u personaly) or u as in ur ideology and its advocates i interact with irl?
U u u ur.
Learn how to spell.
Way further ahead. Dude literally says he wants to be a dictator.
Only on day 1 haha. Gonna be something interesting to see happen. We should get bingo cards going for day 1
You go ahead and make bingo cards, I’ll be prepping for the civil war.
That is simply not true. The extremely varied political landscape of Europe is not comparable to the US…
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you. 😭
51% of voters at least.
Calling it now, the mail in ballot counting will call it for Harris, and we’re gonna have another Jan. 6
Harris had a good start, but she never built on it. She stuck to her talking points and Trump will be worse rhetoric. That’s enough for many of us, but the majority need to be swept away by sensation.
She didn’t humanize herself enough, didn’t show the world who she is. She’s a private, guarded person (as much as a high profile politician can be) and a lot of people think that makes her unlikable. Unfortunately presidential candidates need to be well liked to succeed.
The unfortunate reality is we choose this. There is no one else to blame but our own complacency.
Nah, fuck this mindset. I’m going to blame everyone who voted for the racist, homophobic rapist.
I’m also blaming propaganda from billionaires and Russia.
As well as the White House. Biden should have stepped down so we could have ran an actual primary.
And the White House sat on Trump’s insurrection for four fucking years.
And the White House sat on Trump’s insurrection for four fucking years.
The system as a whole failed us when it didn’t convict Trump on either impeachment.
You cannot convince me that Republicans wouldn’t have been rabidly screaming from rooftops that a Democratic President should be impeached if one did the same things Trump did while in office. And the sad thing is Democrats would have agreed and impeached him.
Republicans only care about holding on to power. Nothing else anymore.
And we as a nation just handed it to a candidate who wants to be ‘Dictator for a day’ as if any dictator has ever willingly relinquished power.
As someone in a non-traditional relationship, and who has two female children, I am fucking terrified.
I’m scared too. I just started hormone replacement therapy a few months ago, and found self-acceptance for the first time in my life. And also have a child, who’s a very sweet boy that will become a young man with misogynist assholes in power. That’s not the example I want for him.
I’ve been crying this morning. And I’m crying now.
I was planning on starting in the next couple of years myself, once I was financially stable enough to. I don’t know what to tell you or anyone else, but I think we’re dead.
The entire LGBTQ community is dead if we stick out at all.
Yep, yep, continue burying your head in the sand. Surely something will change if you just do the same thing next time.
No we should all spread hatred of Democrats since that was so fucking helpful this time.
Nobody’s advocating for that, but people like you were surely shoving lots of hatred themselves, for what good that did. It’s funny that even after achieving this result, you’re still just doubling down on spreading hate instead of having a bit of self-reflection for once.
I tagged you appropriately long ago. You’re showing you earned it
So you like labelling people rather than know who they are personally? That will surely show people that you treat others that don’t agree 100% with you like a human and that you don’t just sow division everywhere you go.
I like avoiding wasting my time on bad faith discussions with people I abhor
This country deserves what’s coming to it.
This is the result of literally decades of planning from extremist groups on the right to bend America into a fascist theocratic dictatorship. Saying someone deserved to get attacked because the attack was successful might be peak victim-blaming.
No, it just simply doesn’t. Regardless of how many (how fucking depressingly many) people voted for him, how fucked this country is, no one deserves to live through a fascist regime. We don’t want housing just for the good homeless, we don’t think only women who are “responsible” should have access to abortions, we don’t think only Respectable Gays should have marriage rights. In the same vein, we shouldn’t want only the good countries, only the good populations, to be free from tyranny. 70 million votes for that asshat, 70 out of 350. This country doesn’t deserve this, because no one deserves this.
Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can improve.
The only hope I have is that the Bell riots start soon and we can force change, but damn every time it seems we’ve hit bottom they break out a shiny new drill bit
You don’t seem to get it. Things will never improve from here.
I tend to agree. But once you hit rock bottom there’s no where else to go except up
No, there’s always genocide and extinction.
Wouldn’t extinction be an up?
We hit rock bottom 8 years ago. This is miles under the bedrock.
Fitting.
Fuck this place.
The Supreme Court will be changed for a generation. I’ll never see a moderate court again in my lifetime. Alito and Thomas will step down and Trump will appoint 40 year old partisans to the bench. The damage he is about to inflict on our institutions the next 2 years will be irreparable.
Unfortunate decision to see.
We are so fucked. The repercussions of this election are going to effect everything from SCOTUS to county courts. This is so utterly disgusting. People looked at the shit spewing from his mouth and said, “Yes, represent me.”
Fuck this country.
Fuck it, let it all come crashing down. I guess that’s what we want
I told you so
- Stein voters.
