• danc4498@lemmy.world
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    10 hours ago

    FYI, if you see one outlier poll, ignore it. It doesn’t mean anything.

    Trust the aggregate and realize there is a margin of error. If you vote, you will be the margin of error.

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      All the vote predictions are inching to a 50 50 split. And pollsters are using AI to simulate real people and using that in their models.

      I’m curious if the split will actually be this close, but everything screams that the models are not right.

      And then the moment you see some smaller pollsters who actually did the legwork, you see deviation from the 50 50 split.

      But still… The call to vote is excellent, cause last time around some states where decided by less than 15K votes.

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        I have yet to meet a Trump supporter who is a real person. I’m convinced they’re brain worms ina meat suit

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          I’ve personally seen them drive down a major highway looking like absolute dangers to society veering at lane edges and honking horns with either no licence plate or covered plates with crazy flags and horrible stickers in a state that will invariably vote blue (not California). They exist and they are not aware of how detrimental to themselves if they win.

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        I’ve yet to get a clear answer on how they correct for the fact that no one answers the phone or wastes time talking to pollsters for free. I keep reading that " they take it into account" but not the methods used.

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          Agreed.

          Ultimately, polls are simply unable to account for the demographic of “doesn’t participate in advance polling”, and Anthony they attempt to do to account for that glaring weakness is guesswork.

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            Probably also looking at previous elections to compensate.

            But the simple fact is that the repubs lost way more of their voterbase to covid than the Dems did. So if you use proportional models, there is a good chance they are off by double the excess deaths in the republican party… And that is a lot.

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    Tbh, a Trump presidency just presents too much fuckery. I don’t even really like Kamala, but I’m more comfortable with what the US looks like after a term with her than with what Trump put forth.

    This is a vote in avoiding a very obvious detriment to our country.

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    15 hours ago

    Are there any early polls that show numbers of previous Trump voters picking Harris this time or previous Clinton/Biden voters going for Trump?

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    I sincerely hope to God that’s true, America deserves better than the oligarchy trash taking over it. The real fight begins after this election, the Supreme Court needs an overhaul and the electoral college needs to go

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      TBH, I feel like there’s an oligarchy controlling both parties. I voted for Harris, but I think I just voted for the less bat-shit crazy side. The billionaires are still going to get richer, corporations will continue to consolidate, middle-class will keep dwindling, and common people will keep getting poorer and have less say.

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        Dems win in areas with greater populations, which is why they have to listen to the voters. You’re right though, but tbh it’s a balancing act. I am the type to believe in “healthy” corporations, so there’s that. Uncontrolled and unregulated entities will always seek to centralize power and resources, doesn’t matter what type they are

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    Maybe he should do another speech where he talks about shooting people, throwing people in jail and about how much a pile of shit this country is. That seems to be working well for him, gaining him some votes. Maybe he should dig deeper into the racism and xenophobia, it’s what got him his highest numbers in the poles, right?

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      21 hours ago

      Actually there’s a very ignorant type of American for which this approach works quite well.

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      pretty sure at this point he’s not counting on votes to get him in the white house, but violence

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        20 hours ago

        Hopefully the current president won’t be as pathetic as the one who was in the Whitehouse the last time the fascists tried to overthrow the government.

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        According to conservative relatives there was no coup, only bad players.

        I’m so sick of living in a malignant narcissist’s alternative reality. Can we go back to a time where half of us don’t play along with and encourage the delusions of mental illness? Pretty please?

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          We will as soon as the opportunistic orange coattail riders finally realize he’s bad for them and throw him under the bus.

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          Can we go back to a time where half of us don’t play along with and encourage the delusions of mental illness? Pretty please?

          Uh, that’s been America forever. Ever notice that most of these people believe that there’s a magical man in the sky telling them what to do? They’re talking about getting physically attacked by literal demons in their sleep today, but they’ve been saying that for decades.

          Just look at this shit: https://archive.org/details/TheVistaGroup-PaganInvasion1

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      Let it motivate you to go vote. You are not alone, even if you live in a deeply red area.

      Every person who votes helps tell the story that the majority of this country rejects a crazy person leading our country.

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        Living in a red state this is how I thought of it, even if my vote is wasted at least maybe the world can see a majority (even if it’s slight) of Americans voted against trump numerically even if he wins.

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          there was a televised discussion of a poll this morning projecting 260s for both sides. if neither side wins decisively, guess who gets to choose the winner. a little bitty bible thumping trump loving nearsighted nitwit named mike.

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              nobody said anything about any 3rd party wins. its basicly about the women vs men and how equal or not the numbers are. a middle split can keep both sides from hitting the magic 270. and if that happens the winner is decided by a congressional consensus.

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                Ah, in my mind there was an odd number of EC electors so an even split wasn’t possible without 3rd party electors.

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    As an Australian I hope HarrisWalz wins because trumpet is a potential threat to other countries and not all of you americans are piece of shit bigots

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    He is scared and coming across like a bitter asshole. The mic deep throating would have been arguably “funny” but the whole mood was sour because all he was really doing was bitching and whining about them not setting up his mic properly. Surely even Trump voters must wonder how he could manage an actual problem if he turns into an absolute manbaby at the most minor of hiccups

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      Remember when saluting with a coffee in your hand would make the national news because it lacked decorum?

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          Don’t forget the colossally catastrophic fist-bump with his wife. That was quite the national embarrassment as we all can remember.

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            Do you remember that time Biden rode a bike? With a helmet of all things? So weak. Not like that Putin fellow who rides HORSES without a helmet OR EVEN A SHIRT. So stronk. Much manly.

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      Mic deep throating is funny on late night comedy TV.

      Simulating oral sex live in front of children is not.

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        That was just bizzare.

        Can you think of the leader of any other country where that would slide? I mean, not even Boris would have been that crass. Even keeping it within the States, is there a past president who would have?

        It really made me think of elderly flashers, who act that way because they have degenerative neurological disorders associated with age.

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            If you are referring to Clinton, he was so private that he lied to Congress so as to not have to say it in public.

            So no, there is no past president, in the US or any country in the world, that simulated oral sex in public. Trump did it in front of his own 17 year old grand daughter.

            And two days later, not a peep about it from anyone in the press.

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              You’re overthinking it. I was referring to Trump himself, because at the moment he is a past president, and he would have done this because, well, he just did it. It was just an attempt at humor based on the fact that Trump himself is technically in the “former president” category and not some deeper dig at Clinton.

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        Yeah I mean let’s not resort to pearl clutching. Look at the guy in the replies doing the “groomer” routine and ask if you want to be that guy.

        It’s just a joke, the kids who were in the audience (and probably shouldn’t have been) will be fine.

        There are many things to insult Trump for, no need for this ridiculous Puritanism. Personally the overt racism bothers me a lot more than a blow job joke that a kid would probably not even get

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          Republicans talked about Michelle Obama for a week because she wore a dress that bared her arms.

          You win by addressing issues that are important to the voters. It’s why Fox didn’t cover Trump’s simulated oral sex. They know that’s what’s important to their viewers.

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          I’ve made this comment before just above this one but I’m going to say it again. You want to know something I’ve never seen a drag queen do once even at a drag show…

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    Latest Selzer poll, regarded by pollsters as the gold standard, shows Harris +3% over Trump. An earlier assessment gave a scale of what various Trump leads over Harris might mean - if he led her by 11% it would predict a decisive victory for him, with lesser leads meaning not quite as strong a victory, down to a Trump lead of only 3% predicting a strong showing for Harris. Harris leading Trump is literally off that scale and predicts a Harris landslide.

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      Are you talking about nationally, the recent Iowa poll, or something else? Because Trump has never won the national popular vote but still made his way into office

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        Looks like the Iowa poll, as in of Harris had a real lead on Iowa of all places, there’s no chance for him in swing states.

        However there’s just no way, in anyone’s fever dream, that Iowa would go for Harris, so we have to assume there’s some freak anomaly rather than anytime to count on or predict how things are going.

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          If I understand correctly, they haven’t been wrong before, so…. This would be a first if you’re saying it’s inaccurate.

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    I call this, in memory of Nick Lowe, Mr Pop, “nutted by reality”. As his lyrics go, “He was living in a different world, but he was nutted by reality”