Seems like they are under attack again, will those people never stop? I feel sorry for the admin team.

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    This is why we need users to spread to more servers and create communities in them. If lemmy.world goes down that shouldn’t result in half of lemmyhub disappearing.

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      Yes! I tried with a niche topic like fallout but can’t get people to move over from the Lemmy world community.

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            Right… I guess for me I’m not sure it’s all that productive to start multiple communities on the same topic? I dunno, maybe it’s good. If I’m looking for something specific, like, say turntables, and I search lemmy for a turntable community, I’m not sure it’d be a good thing to find 3-4 different lemmy communities on the topic. Perhaps I’m just thinking in older, outdated, reddit kind of thinking though.

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              Yeah I get it. My goal was since the Lemmy world community was pretty inactive if I can post more to encourage activity on mine I can make mine more active and the defacto community which helps get people off of Lemmy world.

              If it were a community that is highly active on Lemmy world then I understand it doesn’t seem productive to re create active communities.

              I have heard other people voice opinions that having multiple of the same communities over different instances is a good thing with how Lemmy works. I do wish we had a federated community so as people make more communities on different instances it more merges them into one so if one instance goes down the others are still keeping the community alive. But idk if that’s possible or on the Lemmy roadmap.

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      I’m more of a commenter and less of a poster, but I moved away from world as my primary instance last week. Part to spread the load, part to just be able to browse.

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      Commenting on your comment not because I expect you to have them or anything, it’s just the top comment so hopefully someone sees this. I know there’s a handful of links out there to browse instances. Are there any that can see who’s defederated with who/ which instances are federated with the most instances? I had another account on a .ml domain instance but they got purged with a bunch of others a couple of weeks ago. I use my lemmy.world account because it has the most-ish reach for finding new communities and whatnot

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        Currently no, there isn’t a way to see that granular of detail. On my instance I have details about any defederated (blocked) instances. Currently there are none.

        But there are pros and cons of joining smaller server. Since mine is small we don’t see a large list of communities, I make a point to go through and subscribe to a bunch everyday so my users can get the best experience. But without others doing some of the leg work it can be challenging. Bigger instances like lemmy.world have “seeded” with communities all over because of their large user base. Not only does lemmy.world have a ton of communities but their users have subscribed to communities outside the instance making it discoverable to others.

        https://lemmyverse.net/ https://browse.feddit.de/

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        Unless you want to see porn or troll instances, I don’t think there’s a big difference between instances except for the fact that beehaw isn’t federated with lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works

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      Glad I’m realizing this before getting too attached to any one account. Setting up on a few instances now.

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    It’s been this way for weeks, actually. I haven’t seen a graph of the uptime, but I’m sure one would look extremely ugly, based on my own user experience.

    This right here is an alt, and despite the fact that I don’t prefer to comment from it, since I won’t necessarily check in soon to see replies, it’s seeing some heavy use.

    The attacks a few weeks ago weren’t a one-off, they never stopped. It seems down maybe half the time or so?

    One of the many ways we (all of Lemmy) are not quite ready for the mainstream yet, we still have basic technical/security issues to resolve. Soon, though.

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        thats not communism, thats red painted bullshit. please DO defederate from whatever the hell that is.

        within these people are a sort of poison, one that entrenches them in their symbols and attack others with pride, like an idiot. the (alt? and regular?) right uses these losers and their corrupted ideas and flag clutching as ammunition (for example, against Trans folk).

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          The good old: “Actually people supporting trans are doing the right a service!”

          Pity that hexbear is a bastion of trans posters, which means you are effectively saying: “Trans people are (used by) right wing people as ammunition!” which is right, but right wingers do weaponize everything. There is no way to behave nice enough to complacence them.

          I have yet to find a post in your profile in which you do write public support for our trans comrades 🏳️‍⚧️. I doubt you will, but even if you do it it will remain performative unless you repeat it online, amplify trans voices and start to support your LGBTQ community in your meat space. However since you have no positive comment in the last month it is clear that you are objectively not supporting trans rights, since your only mention is how a group you disagree with - which itself does support trans rights - is hurting trans folk.

          To the audience Raise your hands if that does sound transphobe to you.

          The X are poison is a very common fascist talking point that is actually a verbatim quote of not only that, but Nazi propaganda.

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          the (alt? and regular?) right uses these losers and their corrupted ideas and flag clutching as ammunition (for example, against Trans folk).

          The local org that helps connect trans people with resources like housing and medical care is mostly made up of and run by ML’s. The idea that fascists would be kinder to trans people if ML’s stopped existing is ahistorical nonsense.

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          We sustained an attack right after their defederation, I have no proof now, maybe time will tell.

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              Being the biggest instance and having defederated with a couple of instances has made us a target.

              This is a quote from L.W.AdmiS’ post :
              Lemmy World outages

              At the time I made my first comment in here, there was no word from any admin, so, I had that (hypothesis //hunch //educated_guess) whatever you may call it. And then I wrote : “time will tell”. Well, I had the confirmation I needed for that L.W.Admin.

              Finally, if you need some more information, you may search it by yourself - - I have nothing more to say.

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        Man hexbear is such a shit show. When chapotraphouse was a sub I was on there near 24/7 for like 2 years, and it was the best online experience I’ve ever had. Then they migrated over to hexbear and it’s like only the worst, most self righteous people from the community moved over. I’m literally the most left person I personally know by a wide margin, and I got called a reactionary and told to kill myself and then a mod agreed with them and banned me for a week over a blatantly pro trans comment that apparently wasn’t pro trans in the right way. Like it literally said “trans people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want with their body, I don’t care, it doesn’t effect me” and like 5 people were like “you ‘don’t care’ about trans people? Do the world a favor and fucking kill yourself, you’re literally butchering trans comrades with your comment”

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          I’m literally the most left person I personally know by a wide margin

          So you don’t count people you know online, you also don’t go to organizing union meetings, are not part of collectives and not part of a real left party (thus are likely an individualist, moralist, idealist liberal who will often - since there is little self critique and reflection - for example having thought how you could integrate parts of being anti racist in your life within a group). Of course you might be called a reactionary in some cases. Feel free to link to them, post those opinions in the un-safe space we got here as quote and people can do reflect on that. Taking your quote (which likely ignores context to present yourself in a better light) I have to say that:

          trans people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want" (good) "***********************” (bad)

          Yeah that is reactionary. You were rightfully banned as you broke server rules. There were enough campaigns i.e. “Read Trans Liberation!” for you to educate yourself. You didn’t. You are not the victim here.

          To break it down: You went into a space of solidarity and then climbed on a chair and yelled “I don’t care about [group you are supposed to be having a minimum degree of solidarity with]”. Everyone is able to understand that this is even if it is your uncle’s birth date and you would yell that you don’t care about your uncle it is a social faux pas. However what you did is much worse.

          cat-trans The website’s slogan at that point even was “We love our trans comrades!”

          Besides:

          and told to k**l m***lf and then a mod agreed with them

          X: [Doubt]

          You already showed yourself to be an unreliable narrator, no reason to believe such an extraordinary claim.

          Edit Wonder who downvotes this post

          Edit2:

          CW in effect transphobia commited in a save space, with multiple repeating posts and comments and an unwillingness to see the perspectives of others, this is the context of what OP did post:

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          Is the constantly talking about being trans in leftist spaces not also fueling the over focus on trans people? removed by mod posted by fawx [he/him] to askchapo •

          So no one thinks I’m a troll, I completely support trans people doing whatever the fuck they want with their bodies. And I don’t mind seeing trans stuff. But with that said, I feel like the hundreds and hundreds of posts I see about trans people is not helping. Going off like this site and a few others I browse you’d think trans people are like 40% of people instead of more like 2%.

          I feel like constantly putting them in the spotlight, even to say you support them is just contributing to this “trans awareness burnout” I hear about in a lot of my non-leftist conversations.

          I heard things similar to that within the spoiler during the 80s when I did attend gay meetups, protests and LGBTQ* representation in media became slightly more common (while what we did was still criminal in many places). Turns out I wasn’t gay btw. I was bi (and that includes trans people as bi is defined as having attraction to more than one owns gender) and still am, but was, too. However the gay spaces were the spaces which enabled me to be myself and not the eternal cycle of “this is too much progress for the [women/black people/jews/italians/gays/insert minority/marginalized group of your choice]! they would progress more if they would be silent and try to pass as cis white evangelical hetero who eat meat and drink beer in unhappy marriages!”

          fawx has the capacity to change and act different, as well as to not slander thousands of users with re-tellings of stuff that didn’t happen like that and which minimizes their actions (which is understandable human, but it remains wrong. I do understand the emotional feeling of giving somebody a wipe as fawx did try to do with depicting hexbear as bad for excluding him for no reason - and the willing audience of people taking that for a fact instead of doing their due dilligence). Still the burden is on fawx to read, speak, listen and not primarily center themselves. If they are actually in the union they have enough ways to grow (attending IWW and other fighting unions organizing meetups and summer schools for example).

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            This is the post that he got banned for. He basically barged into the space asking to tone it down with the trans support.

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              Just to add to the context, here are some of the now removed comments from the log

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            I’m literally the union representative for my job, and most of your other assumptions are also wrong. You’re also doing an uncharitable reading of my post. I don’t care about trans people means “I am not bothered by them” like I don’t care whether we have hotdogs or hamburgers.

            You’re the kinda person that ruined that instance.

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              Essentially blaming people expressing support for trans people for the right wing culture war focus on trans people is definitely a bit more than just saying you’re fine with trans people doing what they want. Stop being so dishonest about what people were pissed at you for. You know it wasn’t a “blatantly pro trans comment”

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          Would be pretty sick if they effected us. Like a trans person comes around the corner and suddenly fireworks go off and glowsticks get handed out

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          Man, I’m happy I’m not the only one who feels like this. I had such a good time in the chapotraphouse sub and never forgave reddit for banning it. None of the offspring from there could really capture what made this sub special, the hexbear thing certainly can’t.

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        Understandable since one is a government funded :fedbposting: psyop running on servers in the basement of the FBI building. The other is Reddit.

        Ayyyyyyy.

        Was the joke. If you take that as proof that that user and hexbear as aggregate are responsible you might need to breath a bit and do learn to be more critical of media. People making jokes about you(r misfortune) aren’t always out to get you.

        To explain the joke:

        dot world having a harder time with de federating Fascist propaganda (exploding heads and alike, while keeping their users) than with pre emptively doing a US centric Red scare and McCarthyism is quite funny and something the intelligence agencies of the US had in their hand books for over half a century. It is also often the action of liberals who think civility is more important that positive justice.

        However lets say a piece or two about @[email protected], they are close to conspiracy thought sometimes.

        Join “Lemmy.world” ; here you can create your own communities 🙂

        Respect and thanks to the creators of lemmy-software, pretty sure they have friends (states) with big pockets 😆 !

        Yeah, cause FOSS means evil communist governments secretly funding open source software.

        They also regularly lie and misconstrue what people say.

        All in all the user is a good example how liberal moderation policy (or the lack of them) leads to gray and black propaganda and spheres that are not emancipatory.

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      Remember when VOAT was billed as a replacement for reddit, then it got DDoSed and spammed with CP until everyone forgot about it?

      Corporate interests don’t care about doing things legally at all, if they can figure out an illegal way to get what they want.

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        then it got DDoSed and spammed with CP until everyone forgot about it?

        You sure that’s not because it first gained popularity after Reddit banned the jailbait sub?

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    What does not kill you, makes you stronger. The only thing these script kiddies are doing is strength training the world admins.

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      Yeah fucking up uptime during a period people are looking to migrate away from an ingrained product is definitely the path to a successful and strong network. Just like asking for unpaid admins (typically $100-200 an hour) to price on call duty for free.

      What you are seeing is a business cheap out, have zero clue or plan about scale, not give two fucks about privacy, and trick you all into giving that business a free pass for being shitty and execute poorly.

      This isn’t making shit stronger. It means normies will always make sure this place is the new 4chan.

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    Its really unfortunate. Im working on setting up my own personal instance right now. Im really grateful for all the work Lemmy.world has done, but im just getting tired of not being able to use Lemmy maybe 1/8th of the time I open the app.

    Just a +1 for decentralized social media. The fact that I can just set up my own instance when im not 100% happy with the one im currently on is awesome.

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    I think lemmy.world is too large for the health of the fediverse. A nasty incident which takes it down permanently could “kill” Lemmy as a whole. Perhaps a sign up stop is in order.

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    Are they suffering DDOS attacks? They might need something like Cloudflare to combat this. Maybe some kind of reverse-proxy if the attack isn’t super massive.

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    It was always going to happen but an instance being the defacto default for Lemmy is a bad thing.

    There really needs to be a tool to help people pick an instance, but even then people would just flock to the general instances like .world anyway

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      I also think instances just need to have more sane urls. It sounds silly but like it or not branding does matter. Instances like beehaw and sh.itjust.works just rub me the wrong way during first impressions. Even some of my friends who I’ve tried to introduce to Lemmy are just like…“what the fuck kinda website are you making me go to?” I am not surprised that lemmy.world is big, partly because the URL actually sounds official.

      We also need super-communities that pull in content from multiple communities/instances, better multi-instance search, and a way to migrate between instances before the masses will be okay with smaller instances.

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      Myself and another developer are working on something we think will solve this:

      OP: https://lemm.ee/post/2800726 TLDR: Automatic User Distribution

      Whenever someone goes to the sign up page, for example, on Lemmy.world, we:

      • look at the recommender list
      • find the server that is most under capacity
      • have a very large iframe with “Sign up for Lemmy (using [under capacity server here])”
      • have a small “No, I want to sign up specifically on Lemmy.world” option
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          I agree capacity isn’t the cause of outages. Centralization is an issue, and capacity is a way for a server like Lemmy.world to say “I would prefer less new users”

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        Would also be cool to have like a short questionnaire, like picking your class in Morrowind, but instead you end up on a German industrial metal music instance.

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      It makes sense that general purpose instances would have the most users. I’m not a programmer so while I could still register there why would I pick programmer.dev?

      The bigger issue I had in picking an instance was just in understanding the differences. I think it would help if instances advertised their stance on defederation, moderation, etc… to help people make a decision (or even to see that lemmy.world may be more similar to some other instances than they might think).

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      The more lemmy.world is down the more I use my alt instance. We’ll adapt.

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        yeah it’s lame but it’s more harmful for the hackers in how much time they are wasting. not that their time is worth much apparently

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      I’m not going to pretend to understand the technical details, but would it make more sense if Instances were treated more like subreddits? So instead of the main Lemmy.world instance, we’d have gaming.world, news.world, nsfw.world, woodworking.world, and so on. So then things would be distributed more evenly across the fediverse and it would be harder for a single for a DDOS attack to take out the entire system all at once? Or does the architecture of the whole thing not make any sense doing it like that? Would each instance then have to setup their own server or something to make it work?

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        Each instance is it’s own server, then it has many communities which are created by users. Ideally we spread the communities across instances, but unfortunately most of the big communities are clustered on the big instances, because finding communities on small instances is hard.

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        I guess the community names could be subdomains, the default config would pass all the subdomains to the same Lemmy process. But this would make it easier to split things up down the road, and you could move some of those sub domains to different servers entirely.

        Not sure if it’s worth rearchitecting things like this now, probably better to just close signups and disallow creating new communities on overloaded instances like lemmy.world

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    It’s getting really annoying. Is there an mobile friendly way to migrate my account from lemmy.world to lemmy.zip?

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    lemmy.world has been so unstable for that I decided to switch to another instance. That’s the beauty of the Fediverse though.
    I setup my own Uptime Kuma Monitor for lemmy.world just for fun… the statistics are crazy