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An Israeli air strike has hit al-Ahli hospital in Gaza City where thousands of civilians are seeking medical treatment and shelter from relentless attacks.
Gaza health ministry says at least 500 casualties in hospital blast. A UN-run school housing refugees also struck.
The attack comes a day before US President Joe Biden visits Israel, where he is expected to stress American support for the country.
A planned summit with President Biden in Jordan has been cancelled, the Jordanian government says.
Some 3,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza since Hamas’s October 7 attack inside Israel, which has killed more than 1,400.
The air strike is in dispute, HAMAS claims Israel, Israel claims HAMAS was responsible.
A little too soon to be jumping to conclusions and I would recommend everyone practice skepticism and patience, especially with reporting is coming from extremely biased sources like al-Jazeera, or official spokespersons.
People are suffering through this from every side, and it’s just so disgusting and frustrating that people are so quick to leverage the suffering of anyone in their own pointless bias confirmations. Especially so when those individuals have no ties at all to any of this and are vastly ignorant of the political/military complexities involved here.
Propaganda is designed specifically to illicit emotional reactions… So, “Don’t react, wait for facts!”
I really hope this proof comes.
Wow, a downvote. Proof-haters here?
I think maybe we shouldn’t get riled up over a downvote dude.
Downvoter: “This person sounds reasonable, therefore they must be an enemy!”
HA! you got a downvote too! LOL
There’s too much logic up in here!
Because you’re all coming across as whining.
Who cares? It’s magic internet points and everyone will still see the comment. Y’all really shouldn’t get so bent out of shape over one or two people pressing the downvote button for reasons we don’t even know.
Sometimes it’s a mistake. I know I’ve given downvotes from accidentally triggering a gesture before
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Unfortunately, it won’t change a thing either way… HAMAS and Israel are now at war, and collateral loss of life is a cold horrible and tragic reality.
Let me tell you what I do know…
Four weeks ago I was in Tel Aviv smoking shisha with both Israelis and Arabs. It was a great night.
No one but HAMAS wanted this conflict…
I would argue that Hamas and Senior Israelis wanted the war - but both thought they would have the world on their side and march to glorious victory.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/how-iran-fuels-hamas-terrorism
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/irans-revolutionary-guards
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/israel–hamas-war-iran-update
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/arafat-and-the-ayatollahs
… It has always been the fucking Iranian Revolutionary Government…
If not for the Iranian Revolutionary Government… We could have easily have had both a Palestinian state (which has never existed) and peace between Palestine and Israel, with not much stretch of the imagination.
Also in not much stretch of the imagination… Iran could have continued from here… https://www.businessinsider.com/iran-before-the-revolution-in-photos-2015-4
And who knows where they would be now…
Certainly not here…
https://iranwire.com/en/women/114163-they-shot-me-sister-the-women-victims-of-iran-protest-crackdown/
No. Hamas claims it was Israel. Israel claims it was PIJ.
This is a footage of the strike. Missile no doubt’s. https://piped.video/shorts/cCSugJpGdO4
Looks like the video got taken down.
Works for me
Fails to play for me as well. Not sure if anyone is willing to describe why they believe this is a missle and not a rocket, but would appreciate it.
It actually sounds like a JDAM which is a bomb, not a missile. Here’s what a JDAM sounds like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_uwzugvv-g
And here’s the YouTube link to the video above since the Piped version seems to be acting flaky:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCSugJpGdO4
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://www.piped.video/watch?v=A_uwzugvv-g
https://www.piped.video/watch?v=cCSugJpGdO4
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There is apparently a video of a Hamas missile misfiring and landing on the hospital.
It is unclear, and even if it was no clear distinction on who fired it.
Point is that this “war” is about justification and the global narrative far more that who did what. Both sides are trying to win over the world and justify themselves while claiming the other commits ear crimes with the truth and people coming a distant second.
Ear crimes. Heh. Thanks for the chuckle.
Woops, war crime but happy I got a chuckle
This is the video
The source is supposedly Al Jazeera. It certainly looks real, but I’m not going to call it “confirmed” like the dude sharing it just based on that. We’ll see in the following days hopefully.
The issue with that video that a lot of people are pointing out is that the timestamp is a half hour prior to when the hospital was hit. And time zones change in full hour increments, so that doesn’t explain the discrepancy.
That’s not entirely true. Several timezones are at a 30 minute offset and a couple are even at a 45 minute offset.
Iran is +3:30
Afghanistan is +4:30
India is +5:30
NT and SA in Australia is +9:30 (but NT doesn’t observe DST)
In some special areas, yes, often due to specific small country decisions on where they fall on the date line. But that doesn’t apply here.
Well, the Iran one might…
(Not impossible)
I don’t see a timestamp, did it get cropped or something? Is there a timeline that puts these two videos in context with the rest of the events?
Yeah, the video in the link up there is zoomed in. The original Al Jazeera livestream was a multi-panel set of videos.
I don’t know what your point is about these videos but time zones most certainly do not only differ by full hours. https://www.timeanddate.com/time/time-zones-interesting.html
Are you claiming this is one of those exceptions?
I said I’ve no clue what you’re arguing about. I only know the statement about time zones is incorrect.
Lol, Al Jazeera wrote this article claiming the opposite.
This is the video of the strike. https://piped.video/shorts/cCSugJpGdO4
Israelis are liars. The facade has crumbled. The charade is over. Nobody believes them.
Doesn’t Hamas regularly shoot rockets from hospitals and schools?
Tough to occupy the moral high ground when you’re using citizens as meat shields.
It’s been an extraordinary well documented tactic of the HAMAS… they teach children their highest calling they can achieve in life is to take the lives of Israelis through suicide attacks and to kill as many Israelis that they can by any violent means necessary. They push military caches into schools and hospitals that force civilian men, women, and children to risk their lives in order to gain access to essential humanitarian services which are already extremely limited. HAMAS literally will hold their own palestinians hostage in buildings that Israel intends to attack in order to intentionally maximize the civilian casualties.
They rape and torture their prisoners. They murder homosexuals.
All while constantly bombarding Israelis with rockets in order to force defensive counterstrikes from Israel. Randomly stabbing men, women, and children on the street with essentially no provocation.
https://youtu.be/VEcaI7zQG3E?si=g7UIh04AqtRHl0n3
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/the-roots-of-the-palestinian-uprising-against-israel/410944/
https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-immigration-west-bank-gay-rights-ce95f6903faf461502cc0800b272b159
Hamas’ use of human shields in Gaza - NATO StratCom https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf
Palestinian leadership was literally aligned and allied to the Nazi party during WW2.
So in truth, it’s not just tough to hold a moral high ground… It’s impossible when there is not even the faintest glimmer of conceptualizing what morality even is.
HAMAS must be excoriated from the face of the planet and never allowed to reoccur again. For the peace and stability of the Palestinian people and for the world.
This is a gross oversimplification, and a direct response to the anti-colonial sentiment of the middle east during the WWI - WWII era. They aligned with the Axis powers because they wanted independence, mostly from England & France.
You are just sloppily shoe horning this historical “gotcha” without explaining any of the context in order to justify your subjective perspective about contemporary issues.
You know what you are doing is trying to frame Palestinians as Nazi sympathizers in order to win the emotional propaganda war.
I provided data specifically to that point to allow anyone to read further… Looks like you skipped that step. You also skipped over the fact that I was specifically talking about the Palestinian leadership of that era, which I purposefully and intentionally differentiate from the Palestinian population as a whole. Most of the general population of Israelis and Palestinians are sick of the conflicts their leadership continuously escalate and in general, both sides would prefer to seek long term peace.
You claim that I’m framing with our context… but it would appear you completely skipped the context provided and reframed critical components of the data that was provided to fit your own bias.
Here’s some other interesting historical context from another poster @chaogomu regarding the inter-war and post war period as well as Netanyahu’s ties to what can best be described as the Jewish ultra-nationalist / supremacist organization Lehi. I take no credit for this information, but felt it was important to add to this discussion.
Netanyahu’s political party, the Likud, were partially founded by members of Lehi. Including the first Likud Prime Minister.
Lehi was a Zionist Terrorist organization in Mandatory Palestine. Their main operations were political assassinations of any leader who supported the British, or opposed their ideal of a Jewish ethno-state. This included Jewish and Palestinian leaders.
They also took part in a few massacres of Palestinians, including raping women before killing them.
But the meat of this tangent is what they did during WW2. See, they really hated the British. So much so that they made multiple overtures to join WW2 on the side of the Nazis. They kept trying to join in until 1942. (and only stopped when the founder of Lehi died)
Here’s an excerpt from Wikipedia talking about Lehi;
Netanyahu’s early political career was directly mentored by former members of Lehi. It’s why he sabotaged the peace talks in the 90s.
Link to @chaogomu’s original comment:
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/548452/-/comment/3024238
For what it is worth, today Netanyahu is exceptionally unpopular among more secular Israelis.
Additionally Lehi, is only one example of Israelis organizations that have committed terroristic atrocities against Palestine over the years. The Kach, and later Kahane Chai are examples of Israeli terrorist organizations with similar objectives as well… At least they were, until the Biden administration decided to remove their terrorist designation last year. The Jewish Defense League which committed attacks against Americans in the 80’s is another.
Plenty of awful in the world to go around…
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That is not an excuse to hit the civilians, even if it were true.
The reason they do it is they KNOW it affords them protection because of the way Israel operates.
Now imagine the situation reversed. Hamas wouldn’t believe their luck.
Edit: I also just remembered that according to US ROEs, a hospital can become a valid target if it is sheltering combatants who are actively attacking.
I have no idea what Israel’s rules are but I think the above is a morally defensible position.
Judging by what they shout on the street, their rules are “kill them all” and “death to all Palestinians”. Oh, and “this is my house now”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza
Just learned about this during the recent conflict. Are they still on/in Palestinian land?
Kind of a loaded question; no matter the answer someone will get pissed off. Israel keeps getting bigger, Palestine gets smaller. Those settlements in particular? Probably not.
It is literally an excuse because it makes it no longer a war crime to hit those facilities
Legality != Morality
“Just following orders” is also immoral, also not an excuse for murder.
Lucky for us armchair experts, Hamas is the pillar of truth, so we can completely trust and believe their non-confirmed claim that Israel bombed the hospital