• Copernican@lemmy.world
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    “I think it’d be a big mistake,” Mr. Biden told “60 Minutes” on CBS in a conversation taped on Thursday and aired on Sunday night. “Look, what happened in Gaza, in my view, is Hamas and the extreme elements of Hamas don’t represent all the Palestinian people. And I think that it would be a mistake for Israel to occupy Gaza again.” But “taking out the extremists” there, he added, “is a necessary requirement.”

    I’m not sure how anyone is taking this as a controversial take. Logistically, practically, and the urgent bloodthirst for revenge make this fucking hard to do. But this seems to me to be a pretty even keeled non polarizing take on a complex situation where there is justification for military action against a terrorist group, and that military action must be measured against the safety and needs of a civilian population.

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      It’s not an even take, because he has not proposed taking out the extremists in Israel.

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        Not comparable. Israel is an ally, and needs our funding. Russia has been an advocacy or “enemy of my enemy” type more or less for a hundred years

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        Because Israel already occupies Gaza and other Palestinian areas.

        Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, where the hell are you getting your information?

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          Israel still controls all traffic, imports, utilities, and ingress/egress from the area (if it didn’t, they wouldn’t have been able to cut off power, water, and aid). Israel “withdrawing from Gaza” doesn’t really mean much unless Gaza has elected representation and can sustain itself.

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            Gaza literally has a border with egypt and sea.

            In addition, controlling imports and exports is fully reasonable when there is a terrorist organization in power.

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              It’s funny because your comment is literally meaningless. Which terrorist organization are you referring to? Hamas or Israel?

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                  False. There are 2. One has killed about 1400 people, the other has killed over 8000 in the last week alone.

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                    Hamas is the terrorist organization in the conflict. Who else? Israel? Not really, they literally were the ones attacked and at the same time it’s pretty much the only state in middle east where people have human rights. There is no oppression from the government (despite the fact I personally disagree with many decisions of the current leadership), there are regular elections, etc. I don’t see how this is a terrorist behavior.

                    There is a huge difference when you purposefully just because of their religion and when you kill civilians because there are terrorists hiding between them.