• samokosik@lemmynsfw.com
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    1 year ago

    Hamas is the terrorist organization in the conflict. Who else? Israel? Not really, they literally were the ones attacked and at the same time it’s pretty much the only state in middle east where people have human rights. There is no oppression from the government (despite the fact I personally disagree with many decisions of the current leadership), there are regular elections, etc. I don’t see how this is a terrorist behavior.

    There is a huge difference when you purposefully just because of their religion and when you kill civilians because there are terrorists hiding between them.

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      1 year ago

      I don’t care what their reasons for killing children are. I only care that they are indiscriminately killing them. That makes them terrorists by any definition.

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        1 year ago

        But you should. Because that’s the difference between people being killed by a terrorist attack and people being killed while chasing terrorists.

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          1 year ago

          No. You shouldn’t care. Killing children makes you a terrorist no matter what. There’s no justification. Especially not as disproportionate retaliation.

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            1 year ago

            Each time you are in a war, you kill innocents and children, as well. It’s sad but true. If you consider every state who killed children in a war at some point a terrorist state, then pretty much every single state would be a terrorist one.

            Hamas has been ruining civilians’ lives for ages. If there would not be a radical step taken against them, they would continue to rule and eventually kill more people than in a conflict like this.

            We already had this in WWII. USA threw 2 nuclear bombs at Japan and killed many innocents. However, if they hadn’t done that, war would have continued for another, let’s say, 20 years which would eventually mean even more deaths.

            Hence why I believe that killing more people now in order to preserve more lives in the future is worth it.

            On the other hand, it would be definitely the best solution if both israel and palestine had their own state which cares about people.

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              1 year ago

              Israel has been subjugating Palestinians for almost 80 years, literally funded Hamas and called them a necessary evil, and is now currently in the process of creating and recruiting the next generation of terrorists. Israel, as a government, is more of a terrorist org than Hamas is.

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                  1 year ago

                  Why? Because it’s true? If you think Israel is justified in what it’s doing to disproportionately kill this many people and children, then surely you have to agree that Hamas and Palestinians (in whatever group they form) are they also justified to retaliate against Israel since Israelis are killing innocent civilians… You’d be a hypocrite otherwise. Death is death. Genocide is not justified here.

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                    1 year ago

                    I believe Israel has the right to respond and attempt to destroy Hamas. It’s a war, there will always be civil causalities. The difference is that whilst one side is the only democratic state in the Middle east, the other one is a terrorist organization which has no place in this world.

                    I am not saying Israel is 100% innocent. I believe the actions in West Bank are debatable at least but 7th Octobre was nothing but an attempt to genocide. And it was started by Hamas, not Israel.