Today, Miller said that his deportation was no mistake. So, they’re openly lying to the courts. They’re calling this dude a criminal, but he’s never even been charged with anything.
Let me be completely unambiguous: We just witnessed the death of due process. The fact that we are in a dictatorship is beyond doubt. You will have to face the fascists, the only choice left to all of us now is whether we face them together, or as individuals.
Are we sure we aren’t being a little melodramatic here? I’m only asking how a singular incident of rampant denialism can be equated to the total death of a concept like due process? (I’m half asking out of fear to be sure)
No. Look at history; what the government can do to others, it can do to you, too. The executive branch decided, without any due process whatever, that someone who was legally staying in the US should have their rights stripped and sent to prison without a trial. That means that not only did the state not have to prove their case in court to deprive this person of their rights (again, he was not charged with ANY crime. He’s in prison for no crime besides existing), but this person also has no sentence; they have no date of release set, they have no clarity in their punishment or release. Today, Stephen Miller has insisted that Kilmar’s deportation was NOT an accident. This guy isn’t the only one that ICE just haphazardly scooped up, we’ve got many, many instances of our gestapo with no drip scooping up people who were following the rules and disappearing them weeks and fighting to avoid due process. Trump is already talking, with his own words, about sending American citizens who vandalize Teslas or protest him or musk, or happen to be in prison here to El Salvador. That means that he’s going to send them into the memory hole; no trial, no appeal, no release date, you just get tossed into a hole in El Salvador and Trump cuts the president of El Salvador a check.
If they can deport someone without validating their residency status (due process) , what’s to stop them from deporting citizens “on accident”.
Additionally, they’re ignoring the courts (for now). If the courts don’t escalate and/or Trump/Republicans don’t back down, then this is a really worrying precedent to allow and would effectively allow Republicans to “dissappear” anyone they wanted.
Feels like the end of due process and move to effective dictatorship, but others might draw the line somewhere else. What happened at Gitmo was very dictatorship, but wasn’t done to US citizens or people “technically” in the US.
I think Lemmy can get alarmist at times, sure. But when people are getting punished without due process, that’s a big deal. When the Justice department admits they made a mistake but have no interest in correcting it, that’s a big deal. When judges (and the Supreme Court) tell them to figure it out (edit: and they don’t), that’s a big deal. When the reason they give (the people are deported to another country and in their custody) is essentially a workaround that the Justice department came up with, and they don’t have any meaningful consequence to stop them from doing it again, that’s a big deal.
Because once you yield power to an authoritarian they aren’t giving it up
Can’t he get impeached for this?
Legally? Absolutely.
Realistically? Not a chance in hell. Not while Republican votes are required.
I mean, if the mid terms go badly for Republicans (as they really, really should) the Democrats would take the house and could certainly start the impeachment process. But they would still need two thirds of the senate to vote to convict. And the only way that happens is if the democrats win every senate race, even the ones in safely red states. That or the necessary number of Republicans would have to decide that Trump is a liability after getting absolutely devastated in the mid terms. Given the fact that January 6th wasn’t enough to make that happen, I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Can he? If 220 housemembers and 53 senators refuse to hear a tree falling in the woods, does it make a sound?
Good point
Yes. And US citizens should be calling their representatives to demand Trump’s impeachment (don’t just complain on the Internet).
Seriously, like this could happen to anybody now. This has set a precedent and unless the republicans actually finally put their foot down against this, anyone that’s “unwanted” can be stripped of their citizenship and deported. It’s insane.
What does impeachment even do at this point. Dude has been impeached twice and absolutely nothing happened.
The timing of this visit suggests this was part of the deal to receive the prisoners, and watching the body language when he’s talking, Trump is grinning and nodding the whole time, like this was all their planned response. Just gross.
