It’s a weird one, probably this is because I always try to see the bright side but I have mixed feelings. On one hand writing off just trans and queer people feels even more targeted and evil than deleting all letters.
But on the plus side, the fact that LGB haven’t been removed makes me feel slightly hopeful? This is a clear step back obviously. But it makes me feel that finally the idea that gay, lesbian, bisexual people exist and don’t need conversion therapy has actually sunk in and we can’t be erased so easily.
Now we have to keep pushing to get “TQ” similarly unerasable. 💪
But on the plus side, the fact that LGB haven’t been removed makes me feel slightly hopeful? This is a clear step back obviously. But it makes me feel that finally the idea that gay, lesbian, bisexual people exist and don’t need conversion therapy has actually sunk in and we can’t be erased so easily.
No, that’s completely wrong. They’re coming after trans people because trans people are the easiest target right now. They also intend to get rid of gay, lesbian, and bisexual people, but it’s easier to focus on one group at a time and attempt to split people apart.
They did the same shit in the UK with the “LGB Alliance,” mostly straight TERFs collaborating with the Heritage Foundation and doing absolutely nothing to advance the rights of the people they claimed to be supporting, focusing entirely on attacking trans people to the point of making alliances with extreme reactionaries and anti-feminists.
Anyone using the “LGB” acronym is either a reactionary using divide and conquer tactics aiming at attacking all LGBT rights, or a useful idiot to said reactionaries. There is no plus side here.
It would have been even easier to remove this page altogether, wouldn’t it?
I’m not disagreeing with you at all, but I think my point is being completely missed here. My point is not about what Trump has done which is unequivocally bad.
My point is about what we’ve achieved so far. We’ve made enough progress that to combat the “woke virus” they’re having to target first trans people specifically rather than directly removing mentions to LGBTQ+. I’m hopeful about the fact that we’ve achieved so much so far - obviously not about the fact that we’re being persecuted.
The only reason they did not remove the rest of the page is because there is still broader support for gay people.
They are planning to make trans both a mental illness and a sex crime. Separating the T out here is a step towards making that distinction.
It will be a longer and harder journey to do the same for lesbian, gay and bisexual people, but they will once the project is done. But you go after easier targets first to build momentum.
But on the plus side, the fact that LGB haven’t been removed makes me feel slightly hopeful? This is a clear step back obviously. But it makes me feel that finally the idea that gay, lesbian, bisexual people exist and don’t need conversion therapy has actually sunk in and we can’t be erased so easily.
Because the Nazis stopped at just Jews, right? Surely they never expanded upon that to encompass all “undesirables”, right?
I feel you’re trying to misconstrue my post by saying something I completely agree with, my post completely agrees with, and then throwing a sarcastic “oh wait”.
Of course I agree with this, which is why I say
This is a clear step back
And
We have to keep pushing
My point is about what we’ve achieved so far, which is worth celebrating, regardless of how we’re under attack. Obviously we have to achieve more - they’ll go for the rest of us after Trans people. Which wouldn’t happen if all of us make sure that trans folk are so obvious in the collective mind that erasing them becomes a ridiculous proposition.
Republicans have accepted LGBTQ people to some extent, otherwise they wouldn’t be pulling off this sort of devious shit and just removing these pages completely. That’s what is an achievement, and obviously we need to make sure we revert this and don’t keep regressing.
I’m surprised they haven’t.
It’s a weird one, probably this is because I always try to see the bright side but I have mixed feelings. On one hand writing off just trans and queer people feels even more targeted and evil than deleting all letters.
But on the plus side, the fact that LGB haven’t been removed makes me feel slightly hopeful? This is a clear step back obviously. But it makes me feel that finally the idea that gay, lesbian, bisexual people exist and don’t need conversion therapy has actually sunk in and we can’t be erased so easily.
Now we have to keep pushing to get “TQ” similarly unerasable. 💪
No, that’s completely wrong. They’re coming after trans people because trans people are the easiest target right now. They also intend to get rid of gay, lesbian, and bisexual people, but it’s easier to focus on one group at a time and attempt to split people apart.
They did the same shit in the UK with the “LGB Alliance,” mostly straight TERFs collaborating with the Heritage Foundation and doing absolutely nothing to advance the rights of the people they claimed to be supporting, focusing entirely on attacking trans people to the point of making alliances with extreme reactionaries and anti-feminists.
Anyone using the “LGB” acronym is either a reactionary using divide and conquer tactics aiming at attacking all LGBT rights, or a useful idiot to said reactionaries. There is no plus side here.
How does that old saying go?
“First they came for the transgender people, and then they stopped there.”
He’s pulled the gun, but only shot one of us so far. That’s good, right? . Right??
It would have been even easier to remove this page altogether, wouldn’t it?
I’m not disagreeing with you at all, but I think my point is being completely missed here. My point is not about what Trump has done which is unequivocally bad.
My point is about what we’ve achieved so far. We’ve made enough progress that to combat the “woke virus” they’re having to target first trans people specifically rather than directly removing mentions to LGBTQ+. I’m hopeful about the fact that we’ve achieved so much so far - obviously not about the fact that we’re being persecuted.
It only means that they see the lgb as still being useful for now. There’s no love there.
The only reason they did not remove the rest of the page is because there is still broader support for gay people.
They are planning to make trans both a mental illness and a sex crime. Separating the T out here is a step towards making that distinction.
It will be a longer and harder journey to do the same for lesbian, gay and bisexual people, but they will once the project is done. But you go after easier targets first to build momentum.
Because the Nazis stopped at just Jews, right? Surely they never expanded upon that to encompass all “undesirables”, right?
Oh, wait.
I feel you’re trying to misconstrue my post by saying something I completely agree with, my post completely agrees with, and then throwing a sarcastic “oh wait”.
Of course I agree with this, which is why I say
And
My point is about what we’ve achieved so far, which is worth celebrating, regardless of how we’re under attack. Obviously we have to achieve more - they’ll go for the rest of us after Trans people. Which wouldn’t happen if all of us make sure that trans folk are so obvious in the collective mind that erasing them becomes a ridiculous proposition.
Republicans have accepted LGBTQ people to some extent, otherwise they wouldn’t be pulling off this sort of devious shit and just removing these pages completely. That’s what is an achievement, and obviously we need to make sure we revert this and don’t keep regressing.