• surph_ninja@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    All that happens under Dems, too. Stop giving them a pass.

    Y’all keep hitting that downvote button. I’d like to know how many of you are ok with fascism when it’s a Dem at the helm.

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      19 days ago

      Yup. The Apple-FBI encryption dispute started under Obama, as did the Snowden leak.

      Neither party is particularly pro-encryption, because governments in general see encryption by the public a hurdle for their operations (i.e. you don’t need encryption if you have nothing to hide).

      Encryption isn’t a partisan issue, and my understanding is that both major parties suck about equally on this issue.

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        19 days ago

        It’s a wonder they’re not also trying to outlaw printing presses at this point. They openly believe that we are not entitled to private conversations.

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          It seems we’re moving that direction. Physical media in video games is becoming less and less common, more and more stores are digital only (and Google made a deal w/ Mastercard to get that data), and ebooks are likely to overtake physical books in the near-ish future.

          Guess where all that data ends up? The government can just pay retailers to get transaction data, so if the police wants to dig up dirt on you, it’s easier than ever.

          That’s pretty messed up IMO, and I’m not happy with this trend given where privacy protections are at these days…

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            Yep. We need a very strict law to prevent the government from partnering with private companies to get around the fourth amendment. The third party doctrine has obliterated our privacy rights.

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              19 days ago

              Agreed. If there’s anything we should collectively push for, it’s a constitutional recognition to a right to privacy. That’s what Roe v Wade was based on, and it was overturned because it wasn’t constitutionally defensible. The 4th amendment sadly isn’t sufficient, we need to take it a step further.

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                The Ninth Amendment, if actually followed, would put the burden on the government to prove that something was not a right, rather than just denying it because it wasn’t enumerated in the Constitution. The current Supreme Court has directly contradicted the Ninth by claiming that only enumerated rights are really rights. Except when they make up new ones like corporate personhood.

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      19 days ago

      The Snowden leaks came out when Obama was president. Obama was the one who said, “The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide”. The republicans and democrats are the same fucking people.

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        Only if you look at it in the most general, limited, pov. Are they the same people on corporate greed? Not all, but mostly yes. Are they the same people on encryption? Yes. Are they the same on human rights? Absolutely fucking not. If the only thing important for you is encryption, voting isn’t going to change the government’s policy decisions. However, if things other than encryption and corporate greed are important, then voting for a Republican is voting against your interests. History is filled with people who can’t see past their own fucking biases and look out for the greater interest… So you have a lot of historical company.

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          Are they the same on human rights? Absolutely fucking not.

          The outcome of the 2024 election, according to the liberal pundits, was that trans-rights and Palestinian liberties cost Harris the election.

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            19 days ago

            I’m just responding to your comment. If you were only talking about encryption, then maybe word your comment more clearly… Especially if you want to cast aspersions towards other about staying on topic.

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              The post is about encrypted apps and cyberattacks not human rights violation. By default the topic of conversation is the post.

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            19 days ago

            Taking a narrow myopic view leads to single issue voting, and that has caused ridiculous levels of damage to the public.

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        The republicans and democrats are the same fucking people.

        In many cases, literally. From Michael Bloomberg and Liz Cheney to Donald Trump and Joe Manchin, the number of cross-overs and turn-coats who end up getting into leadership in their opponent’s parties is absolutely crazy. The Nixonian Southern Strategy did one thing brilliantly. It completely crossed the wires of the partisan voter for three generations to the benefit of the corporate oligarchs who get to play both ends against the middle.

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          It goes on long before that. The Dixiecrats were as conservative as the Republicans, and more racist than some Republicans.

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      All that happens under Dems, too

      Fucking what? Which democrats are banning books and putting together lists of trans children?

      And no, I’m not a fan of the DNC, I’m just not a fucking dishonest piece of shit.

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          And there it is. Blame the Democrats for not stopping the Republicans from doing their misdeeds.

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            Of course. Because they pretend they will stop the Republicans, and then they fund and vote for the Republican plans.

            Democrats are a right-wing party intended to absorb and dispel leftist energy in order to prevent change and reform. They’re protecting Republicans by design. Absolutely blame them for that.

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      19 days ago

      As if most of the legal provisions for widespread surveillance were not done under Clinton administration.

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      Those downvoting need to learn about the PATRIOT act and FISA “courts”.

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        Those downvoting aren’t the type of people who enjoy challenging their worldview. They won’t look at shit.

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      Dumb people are down voting you despite the fact that you’re 1000000% correct.

      Leftists need to stop defending the Democratic party so hard, it’s making them look like neo liberals

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        Wait what? You know that leftists dislike Democrats, right?

        Are you really not aware they are two different things?

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          I’m aware yet I’ve been seeing so many so-called lefties going crazy for the DNC.

          I think the desperation and need to defeat Trump has led to a lot of “blind acceptance” of Democrats

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          You know that leftists dislike Democrats, right?

          They’re classic Frienamies. Every two years, they hold their noses while screaming “I hate this! I hate this! I hate you all!” and pull the lever for the party. Then the party either wins, thanks to all the Michael Bloombergs and Liz Cheneys who guided the party successfully to the right. Or the party loses, thanks to all the civil rights activists and environmentalists and train lovers who made Whitey McDickweasel look like a Communist.

          Leftists are the Dems’ most loyal voters and their most bitter enemies.

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        Leftists need to stop defending the Democratic party

        The joke of it is you’re either with the Democratic Party or you’re a hyper-authoritarian anti-democratic Russia/China loving Tankie. You will eat your police state and you will like it, because otherwise the Bigger Fascists will win.

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        It’s just treated like team sports for so many people. It doesn’t matter what the team does, it’s offensive to them to criticize it at all.