• SnowdropDelusion@lemm.ee
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    I get what you are trying to say, but she wasn’t sleeping at the time of the shooting. No need to rely on misinformation to here. The truth is damning enough for police.

    Edit: In case y’all need proof.

    Courier Journal: Louisville Local Newspaper, Left Leaning

    Claim: Taylor was shot while she was asleep in bed

    Various social media posts and media reports have said Louisville police gunned down Taylor as she was asleep in bed.

    Commonwealth’s Attorney Tom Wine played partial recordings of police interviews with Walker during a May 22, 2020, news conference in which Walker told police he and Taylor were watching a movie in bed — it was “watching them more than we were watching it,” he said — when they heard a loud bang at the door, scaring both of them.

    Walker said he initially thought it might’ve been Taylor’s former boyfriend, but there was no response when Taylor twice called out, “Who is it?”

    Then, Walker, saying he was “scared to death,” grabbed his legally owned handgun.”

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      getting your door kicked in by a gang of cops about to shoot you to death tends to wake a person up

      what misinformation?

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        Here is the wiki on it. If your husband had a full conversation with his mother about noises coming from below and then calls 911 and then gets his gun, could you still be asleep at that point? She was, however, still in bed and the no knock shouldn’t have been allowed.

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          could you still be asleep at that point?

          do you have proof she wasn’t?

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            I don’t know what you and that other guy are arguing about. I just laid out that it was noisy and her husband made two calls and got a gun. Whether or not she was still asleep could only be confirmed by the two people in the room. One is dead and one has legal and legitimate reasons why he might exaggerate a claim like that. Either way, it shouldn’t matter on the argument that no knock raids should be banned.

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              not wanting to go to jail for murder is a legitimate reason to exaggerate a claim

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            Source: Courier Journal - Local Newspaper

            Claim: Taylor was shot while she was asleep in bed

            Various social media posts and media reports have said Louisville police gunned down Taylor as she was asleep in bed.

            Commonwealth’s Attorney Tom Wine played partial recordings of police interviews with Walker during a May 22, 2020, news conference in which Walker told police he and Taylor were watching a movie in bed — it was “watching them more than we were watching it,” he said — when they heard a loud bang at the door, scaring both of them.

            Walker said he initially thought it might’ve been Taylor’s former boyfriend, but there was no response when Taylor twice called out, “Who is it?”

            Then, Walker, saying he was “scared to death,” grabbed his legally owned handgun.

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              Claim: Taylor was shot while she was asleep in bed

              I never claimed this

              also, you link doesn’t prove this:

              If your husband had a full conversation with his mother about noises coming from below and then calls 911 and then gets his gun, could you still be asleep at that point?

              and it doesn’t prove she was awake at the time, ether. people doze off while watching movies.

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                and it doesn’t prove she was awake at the time, ether. people doze off while watching movies.

                I provided a good source that directly refutes your claim, with a statement from the witness at the scene. You clearly don’t care about the truth, and just want to “win.”

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                  with a statement from the witness at the scene

                  I didn’t see any statements supporting any of your claims or refuting mine

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        “Breonna Taylor Was Asleep.” Yes, she was asleep the night/morning of the shooting. No, she was not asleep when she was shot.

        She was gravely wronged, and what happened is entirely inexcusable. However, statements that confuse people on the facts of the situation do not help the cause.

        Edit: It seems my memory was faulty, per Walker’s statement, they were watching a movie in bed when police came to the door.

        Source: Courier Journal - Local Newspaper

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          like he said:

          getting your door kicked in by a gang of cops about to shoot you to death tends to wake a person up

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              Simple. It’s some of the worst behavior on reddit, on a garbage sub full of garbage people.

              Basically someone who loves it when cops murder black people for them is like “It’s totally an awful thing that this happened, but” and then launch into a defense of whatever racist piece of shit is the topic of discussion.

              Too bad that shit can’t stay on reddit where shit belongs.

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      I don’t understand the value of this comment and it seems like it’s being pedantic and splitting hairs for an unimportant reason. Whether or not she was sleeping when the bullet entered her is ignoring the main point. If you want to call it misinformation then that’s really stretching the term for misinformation.

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        So the reason I care is that every half-truth is a chink in the armor of the overall cause. Social and racial justice are incredibly important causes. When people make bold statements that aren’t entirely factual, the opposition points to them in order to discredit the cause as a whole. I want to persuade the persuadable by being factually correct whenever possible.

        I do understand your overall point though.

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          No it isn’t. What matters is what sounds convincing to other human beings and claiming, “They were watching a movie in bed, therefore they were not sleeping” is a non-issue in the minds of others at best. What matters is that she was in bed and unaware. She might as well have been sleeping.

          People do have common sense, you know

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            Look, I tend to believe that "common sense is nothing more than a deposit of prejudices laid down in the mind before you reach eighteen.”[1] People perceive the world differently from one another, and have different lived experiences. This is especially true for neurodivergent people when compared to people we might think of as neurotypical.

            “Breonna Taylor Was Asleep” is a factually inaccurate statement. The specifics may be a non-issue for you, but they might be a major holdup for someone who thinks differently.

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              And that’s why we compare experiences and share knowledge through debate to reach a consensus. Which is a fundamental part of common sense

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                Is it though? An appeal to common sense has been used to justify any number of horrors historically. It depends heavily on the culture you are in.

                Debate is most certainly used to persuade and test the strength of an argument. In debate, however, common sense is sometimes used in place of logical reasoning for things the speaker believes should simply be understood.

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                  Every argument under the sun is used to justify atrocities. Common sense is what susses them out.

                  Common sense is fundamental to being human and it’s all we have to rely on whether you like it or not. Demanding others ignore it is to make them complacent and supportive of atrocity. Common sense is what snaps people out of it.

                  Now you can quibble about semantics all you want to, you just won’t do it to me. Trying to undermine the Breonna Taylor tragedy will get you nowhere… and we can see, with our common sense, that that is what’s happening here.

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                    Let’s back up for a second.

                    Can you definite what you understand “common sense” to be.

                    Also, do you think “common sense” varies between cultures?

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      If you are one of the people downvoting this comment - you really need to reexamine your way of thinking.

      The dude is just trying to correct the factual record. If you look at that, and those facts are unfriendly to your collection of how you like to feel about the situation and so you downvote him/her or start a protracted argument with him/her about it – that means biases are more important to you than factual accuracy.

      I think, like any sensible person, that what happened to Breonna Taylor was a heinous crime and the cops involved should be punished. But, I also think the facts of the situation are important. She wasn’t shot while she was sleeping.

      Again, if you’re downvoting, it means supporting your own biases is more important to you than the facts, and that’s dangerous. That is exactly what the MAGA crowd does and part of what makes them so dangerous and so difficult to communicate with. So please don’t do the same from “the other side.”

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        I appreciate the take. It’s not a great feeling to have “the side” you feel like you are on rail at you for trying to set the record straight.

        It feels weird to say this, but I wonder if the “Tankies” from certain instances color Lemmy as a whole. If so, that makes me worried for the future of Lemmy. I really don’t want this to be the Far Left version of The_Donald or Truth Social.

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          Yeah, I don’t think any political viewpoint is free from people who just like their prejudices and attack anything that doesn’t match their prejudices. I wish it was different on the left, but sadly not.

          FWIW, I’ve had a lengthy argument and said some plenty unpopular things in a tankie forum on Lemmy and didn’t get banned, so we’re still quite a ways away from the conservative ethos. I feel like as long as there’s freedom of speech about it, the problem is self-correcting in the long run. Maybe.

          (I literally had someone on /r/walkaway tell me that I could say whatever I wanted, that they believe in free speech absolutism and exchange of ideas etc etc, and then when I went to reply to them, I couldn’t because I was banned. 😃)