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  • Oil is not a viable option and the list is orders of magnitude larger than what you listed for nuclear. Sooo many (100s?) millions dead, whole culture ruined, etc.
    I always think of ‘antinuclear’ as pro-oil because that is exactly what has been the case for the last 50 years, its only in the last (less than) decade that we actually started using old tech (solar, wind) to deliberately limit oil.

    Outside of the land near fairly few nuclear accidents people won’t be & aren’t affected at all. The vast majority of nuclear plants lived and died as planned. But every fossil fuel operation is a massive carbon polluter.
    (Even areas with higher radiation levels turned out to be way safer for mammals than expected, so human limits to radiation exposure are def way to strict and a bit of a result of Chernobyl propaganda in the west - so many villages, especially old people, returned and lived their lives out within the restricted zone, they died of old age and poverty, bcs they relied on Soviet pension plans which don’t exist in Ukraine, so they had to grow all food)

    I’m not under the impression you said anything good about oil, just that if we went the nuclear way like 50 years ago, we prob wouldn’t even have this convo this way right now. And if we don’t plan our economies, we can’t really predict our power needs in eg 30 years.

    Is the Chernobyl-warzone threat bright now more than some localised radiation that would be ignored either way?
    (This is a genuine question, in case it sounds sarcastic)

    When people hear of radiation they think of mutations, all sort of cancers (instead of just one), & birth defects, not of just the straightforward immediate tissue damage.

    I just see so little reason not to continue to have nuclear energy as part of our repertoire of energy production, specifically a bit more regionally balanced (eg that almost every EU country would have some plants).


  • Is this mythology? :P
    Server stuff is unusual and mysterious, rare, and expensive - I get the allure.

    I like your second point (tho wouldn’t say a lot, most of us just want services at home + ProxMox or even Linux in general isn’t the most common hypervisor to learn for getting a job in like mid-sized companies), but for the rest - PC can take loads just as well as enterprise/server, this isn’t the 90s or early 2000s when you eg got shitty capacitors on even the best consumer mobos. Your average second gen Core PC could run non-stop since it’s birth to today.
    The exception are hard drives, which homelabbers buy enterprise anyways.
    BTW - who has their home lab on full load all the time (not sarcasm, actually asking for usecases)?

    The rest is just additional equipment one might need or might not. A second CPU slot is irrelevant when buying old servers, ram slots need to be filled to even take advantage of the extra lanes of server CPUs and even then older tech might still be slower than dual channel ddr5, drive bays are cheap to buy … but if you want nicely looking hot-swappable PSU then you need a server/workstation case.

    Server vs consumer CPUs mostly differ in how well they can parallelize tasks, mostly by having more cores and more lanes. But if a modern CPU core outclases older server CPU cores like 10:1 that logic just doesn’t add up anytime. Both do the same work.

    Imho old servers aren’t super cheap but are priced accordingly.

    I think this whole debate consumer vs enterprise hardware (except hard drives ofc) can be summed in a proxy question of - do homelabbers need registered ECC RAM?



  • Sounds nice, but yes, uses quite a bit of power.

    I should measure mine - I have a Ryzen 5900 (24t, 64MB … some 20k cinebench score) as the main, and a Core 12700 (16+4t, 12MB).
    (And Intel gen 7 and 2 at my patents. All of them proxmoxed.)

    Never ever managed to bottleneck anything on them, not really, but got them super cheap used.

    Buying anything server/enterprise that powerful would cost me a lot of moneys. And prob have two CPUs which doubles a lot of power hungry bits.


  • Isn’t that a bit like buying an old truck instead of a year old Miata?

    Afaik those CPUs use so much juice when idling … sure, you dont get all them lanes or ECC, but a PC at the same price with a few year old CPU outclasses that CPU by a lot & at a fraction of the running cost (also quietly).

    Just something to keep in mind as an alternative, especially when you don’t intend to fill all the pcie bussy (several users with several intensive tasks that benefit from wider bus to RAM & PCI even with a slow CPU).
    Ok, and you miss out on some fancy admin stuff, but … it’s just for home use …





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    Yes, this is correct.

    You dont even have to be a math nerd to innately know this.

    Like, I’m about to go to work & dispense imaginary fucks all day (because math-lord knows I have no real fucks to give anymore).

    (The thing is they are both imaginary as well as irrational fucks, which complicates math a lot & I only work with fuck approximations)