It would be nice if the world was so easily divided into black and white, but it isn’t. Politics is complicated, and the actions of the Israeli government are not the actions or even the will of the Israeli people. Israel deserves to exist, and so does Palestine. Acknowledging the rights of both people doesn’t negate condemnation of what either government has done in violation of human rights.
Trying to walk that middle line between their right to exist and disavowing their actions is harder than you think. You think it ought to be easy, except for the people who think differently from you and insist that the opposite solution you want is the only acceptable path.
We don’t have the privilege of knowing everything about the situation. Trying to drive from the back seat isn’t helpful.
and the actions of the Israeli government are not the actions or even the will of the Israeli people
the government of Israel is nominally democratically elected. I have no idea how fair those elections were or weren’t. That government represents the people. if the people have a problem with it’s actions… it’s probably time for them to do something about it. In the mean time, there are some things that are pretty fucking black and white. Genocide is one of them.
Supporting genocide… is not cool.
We don’t have the privilege of knowing everything about the situation.
Are you saying that Israel is some how not committing war crimes and atrocities?
Genocide is bad. Both Hamas and the Israeli government are guilty. But the Israeli people and the Palestinian people are not their governments. We can’t abandon either of them and keep the moral high ground. So how do we accomplish all of those goals and get their governments to accept it.
You can’t force your black and white perspective on this no matter how satisfying you might find it.
So we (the us) are obligated provide military aid to genocidal maniacs?
I think you need to get your moral compass checked. There is exactly zero justification for continuing military aid to Israel… and biden’s “tough” language has no teeth and we all know it.
Remember… the reason we’ve given Israel so much aid in the past is precisely to give Biden teeth- but now that we’re here he’s a coward. (Or actively hoping for AIPAC money.)
So you know exactly what details give you the moral probity to make these confident statements? I’m glad we have authorities like you to give us moral clarity. I had no idea you were in possession of state level secrets.
It would be nice if the world was so easily divided into black and white, but it isn’t. Politics is complicated, and the actions of the Israeli government are not the actions or even the will of the Israeli people. Israel deserves to exist, and so does Palestine. Acknowledging the rights of both people doesn’t negate condemnation of what either government has done in violation of human rights.
Trying to walk that middle line between their right to exist and disavowing their actions is harder than you think. You think it ought to be easy, except for the people who think differently from you and insist that the opposite solution you want is the only acceptable path.
We don’t have the privilege of knowing everything about the situation. Trying to drive from the back seat isn’t helpful.
the government of Israel is nominally democratically elected. I have no idea how fair those elections were or weren’t. That government represents the people. if the people have a problem with it’s actions… it’s probably time for them to do something about it. In the mean time, there are some things that are pretty fucking black and white. Genocide is one of them.
Supporting genocide… is not cool.
Are you saying that Israel is some how not committing war crimes and atrocities?
Genocide is bad. Both Hamas and the Israeli government are guilty. But the Israeli people and the Palestinian people are not their governments. We can’t abandon either of them and keep the moral high ground. So how do we accomplish all of those goals and get their governments to accept it.
You can’t force your black and white perspective on this no matter how satisfying you might find it.
So we (the us) are obligated provide military aid to genocidal maniacs?
I think you need to get your moral compass checked. There is exactly zero justification for continuing military aid to Israel… and biden’s “tough” language has no teeth and we all know it.
Remember… the reason we’ve given Israel so much aid in the past is precisely to give Biden teeth- but now that we’re here he’s a coward. (Or actively hoping for AIPAC money.)
So you know exactly what details give you the moral probity to make these confident statements? I’m glad we have authorities like you to give us moral clarity. I had no idea you were in possession of state level secrets.
Morality isn’t a state secret.
There is no justification I’m prepared to accept from my elected leaders for supporting genocide.
Palestine doesn’t have WMD’s any more than Iraq does.