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    that didn’t have any power over what their country was doing and didn’t participate in it

    It’s funny how the people in the war fighting countries don’t have “any power” over what their country is doing. Nope. None at all. Nope. Can’t oppose your government, can’t fight your government, can’t oppose the war, can’t strike, can’t sabotage, can’t leave. Nope, nothing they can do. Poor, poor victims of war.

    And that the people who actually lived innocently have to die in 10-fold numbers because those poor Japanese can’t be held accountable.

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        And the italians revolted against their facist handlers. And hung Mussolini upside down in Milano. That’s why italy got a rather okay end to the second world war.

        And the poles managed to stage an uprising against the germans while fully under their control in a ghetto. But yeah, the poor japanese victims were powerless.

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      You’re saying with the point of view of someone in 2023. The Army would have shot people fighting against their government and that would have been the end of it. Japan (especially at the time) is also culturally very different from Western countries.

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        Japan (especially at the time) is also culturally very different from Western countries.

        Yeah that excuses the 25 Million dead people and damn the US for stopping them. They just wanted to murder in peace!

        But hey, thanks for confirming that only the nuclear bombs could have pushed them into surrendering. After all, anything else was culturally too different for them.

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          I never said it’s not dramatic, I said that your argument that “people are alive today because X” doesn’t hold much water because others died so they’re alive. Go tell the family of those who died that their brother/sister/parent had to die to save people in another country.

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            Go tell the family of those who died that their brother/sister/parent had to die to save people in another country.

            I’m german and an anti fascist. The fuck do you think I’d do?

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              Tell me, what two days during WW2 did the Germans lose over 100k civilians uninvolved in the war in a couple of seconds? 🤔

              The situations aren’t that comparable if we’re being honest with ourselves.

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                civilians uninvolved in the war

                The entire concept of “total war” is that civilians are involved. And you know, it was the japanese and germans who wanted to wage war that way.

                in a couple of seconds?

                Man you are right. Dying so quickly was way too humane, the americans were really too ethical. And the bomb survivors even got medical treatment! The Americans should have slowly, over years, killed and maimed and raped their way through Japan, like the japanese did in their occupied territories. And watch as all those civillians in the japanese occupied territories are treated the exact same way. You are absolutely right man. That would’ve been the right thing.

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                  So you take responsibility for all decisions taken by your government then?

                  I’ll just ignore the ridiculous bit after that.

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                    That’s part of the social contract, man. It doesn’t mean that every time your government kills someone, you’re guilty of murder, but it does mean that we all bear some culpability for the actions of governments we live under, barring an actual attempt to break allegiance with that government.