• ???@lemmy.world
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    Israel’s response to Hamas is disproportionate and careless on purpose. There is blood on many hands, but those now being starved and dying of disease and bombed hospitals is 100% Israel’s action opposed by the rest of the world. Almost Every specialist, every human rights official, every person who is qualified to comment on this is saying Israel is causing civilian deaths, crossing lines, and committing collective punishment. We are not talking about a few thousands here and there that the IDF tried to protect but couldn’t… We are talking about 10k deaths, 2k under the rubble. This is not collateral damage.

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      okay, was not the point of our discussion and I did not say otherwise but thanks for sharing it I guess…

      I tend to disagree on the collective punishment point, but that’s fine everybody can have his or her opinion :)

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        consistently moving the goalposts is one of the core hallmarks of a bad faith argument. you handled it very well!

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        Yeah Israel starving people is totally not like the goddamn holocaust. /s

        “Opinions”, how convenient it is to have them while people just die on the hands of Israel.

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          Okay that went very fast into holocaust relativism… no thank you, I don’t want to be part of this discussion anymore, let’s end it here on a polite note.

          And just to make it clear, as a german I learned, “the Holocaust was a genocide during World War II in which Nazi Germany, aided by its collaborators, systematically murdered approximately 6 million European Jews” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust) therefor I find it highly inappropriate to use this very term for the situation in the middle east or as a comparison to it.

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            Sorry, if Israel doesn’t want holocaust relativism it should stop doing very holocausty things like starving people and killing medical patients and the medics and the journalists, god I’m out of fucking words.

            “Never again” includes Palestinians. If it doesn’t today, then it’s not living up to its meaning.

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              or maybe you just should stop holocaust relativism 🤷‍♂️

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                Maybe you shouldnt sympathize with Nazi’s. Did they teach you Germans nothing in school?

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                or maybe Israel just should stop repeating the holocaust on another group of people.

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          being shitty and inflammatory is really gonna convince people you’re on the side that cares

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            Look buddy, if you can’t see that this collective punishment and against international law then I can’t help you.