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    I still don’t know whether you’re supposed to hit those and I also don’t know if it’s normal to get two challenges or if that just means I did the first one wrong.

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      It doesn’t really matter, they don’t expect you to get everything right on these. While most of the time you need to get mostly right (Google is using these to train their AI so often they are not sure themselves), they are also looking at other things, like how you move your mouse, and the cookies that they use to spy on people to determine the probability of you being a human. If you pass a certain threshold they let you through, and you can do it even if you miss a square.

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          That’s what a bot would say /s

          But you’re right, the UX sucks, and there are other ways to detect and limit bots that don’t impact legitimate users as much - but Google needs to train their AI, and developers need to cargo cult stuff.

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          These things feel like they are made by microsoft. You click somewhere, wait 3-10 seconds and then you can click again.

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            Just use a click delay program between press and input, maybe with a physical on/off switch on a dedicated keyboard next to the mouse together with other necessary keys (like the one button switch between EN and SE layouts or the Memory Cache Dump Key)

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          A bot trying to solve the captcha would be very fast so it makes sense that they block fast solvers.

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        and the cookies that they use to spy on people to determine the probability of you being a human

        which is why I assume, as a VPN user who rejects as many cookies as possible, I constantly have to do 5-6 fucking captchas in a row, sometimes more, before it’ll let me through… I can’t be that bad at doing them lol

        Is it frustrating? Fuck yeah. Will it get me to change my behaviour and drop those measures so that the companies getting in my way can collect more of my data? Fuck no.

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        I use a trackball mouse for disability reasons. I have to actively slow my cursor movement to a crawl and deliberately slowly click each square otherwise I fail captcha’s

        it’s infuriating

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      AFAIK, the first one is the real check, the second one is too train their image recognition AI.

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        It has to be more sophisticated than that. Otherwise users could easily taint the datasets by giving wrong answers on purpose.

        It probably checks your answer against the current model’s best guess and if it’s close enough, you get a pass and your input is added to the training data for the next iteration. The more wrong you are, the more challenges you get.

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          Otherwise users could easily taint the datasets by giving wrong answers on purpose.

          I do that and as long as it’s not too outlandish it lets me through.

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          I vaguely remember 4chan figuring out something to do with which was the control and which the variable and deciding to spam solving the control correctly but the variable with some kind of nonsense (knowing 4chan probably a slur) until the system got enough confirmation that it got moved to the control group and would accept I it there

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      Isn’t it normal to get something like 6 challenges?

      And suddenly one of them has new slow loading images which you won’t notice before clicking continue, thus failing

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        The most I got at once was around 21 I think. But twice I did such number without passing.

        I should finally look at one of those automated captcha solver extensions for Firefox. I know some are more accurate than humans anyway.

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        Oh I usually get the green checkmark without any captcha.

        It depends on the website you are visiting, whether you are loged in on Google and how much cookies you allow and a lot more. Also using Chrome may help because it collects more data.

        Sometimes loging out of Google also helps.

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    Answer wrong. The more of us humans that answer wrong, the less accurate we need to be to get past these stupid things. If google want me to do work for them, they can pay me.

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      I unwittingly do that all the time. It often takes me 30+ Captchas before I finally get in. Then I’ve forgotten what the hell I was doing in the first place.

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      If google want me to do work for them, they can pay me.

      They kinda do. This is the way the “free” model of internet services works. One of the reasons I think we should probably switch to expecting services to either be paid or non-profit, rather than ad/data-supported.

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        Yeah, but the whole point of offering free services was just a ploy to crush competition with shorter runways to profit. Google could just sustain "free"services longer than their competitors could remain solvent.

        Now that they’ve run most of their competitors into the ground, and now that people and businesses have become dependent on these services. They can bank off advertising and monetizing services with subscriptions.

        Google business accounts used to be free, now you have to pay 9 bucks a month per employee, and you are subjected to even more advertising. Neither advertising nor subscriptions are going anywhere, especially now that subscription plans are so normalized.

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          That might have been the point. It’s also saved me countless hours of my life being able to navigate anywhere at any time with step by step instructions on how to get there.

          There was a lot of value produced for a lot of people by google maps so far

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            There was a lot of value produced for a lot of people by google maps so far

            Right… But people don’t get upset about monopolies because they don’t create value. They get upset because they eliminate competition and choice.

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    Whenever I get a capcha of anyone on a vehicle, I always make it a point to highlight the entirety of the driver too because I’m not going to just let Google train its self-driving vehicles to just ignore that every motorcycle has a rider on it.

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    This is what “AI training” looks like, folks. The companies developing AI constantly tells us how awesome it is, but it still needs the help of humans to recognize basic sh*t like cars, buses, crosswalks and traffic lights. They didn’t choose those images by accident.

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      I keep expecting blurry images of protestors or human shaped blobs huddling behind cover with some kind of crosshair over them

      PLEASE CLICK ON ALL SQUARES WITH ENEMY COMBATANTS TARGETS PERSONS

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    I stress about the whole damn pole. If you showed me a picture of a traffic 🚦 on pole, and asked me what it was, I would say “a traffic light” not “a traffic loght and a traffic light pole”

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    It’s funny that captchas are in a never ending arms race with bots trained on the same datasets capturing humans answering these stupid puzzles.

    Pretty soon we’re going to be drinking verification cans

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    Try the audio captcha, those seem to have actual valid answers to them.

    Funny enough, there’s an extension that solves captchas by feeding that audio through a speech recognition algorithm. If anything it’s more reliable than solving them manually

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      The test isn’t the panels you click on, it tracks how your mouse pointer moves. Bots or robots tend to move in straight lines, whereas with humans, the pointer moves in a more random fashion. That’s how you pass.

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    These are actually checking if you are a bot btw, so to pass them more quickly just don’t move like a bot would. Do shit a bot wouldnt do like clicking and unclicking something, swirl your cursor around the screen, etc.

    Also answer these kind of wrong to fuck with AI

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    The ones that get me are captchas saying select all squares with motorcycles when it is clearly a bicycle.

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      There was an inflection point where captcha went from “demonstrate human vision” to “guess what the robot sees.”

      I got one asking for mountain ranges where one was plainly the tops of nearby trees. Which I got scolded for not clicking on.

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      Most of these were trained/tested using third world labor on mechanical turk. It actually helps to approach the problem from that understanding:

      “Would a person who speaks English as a second language and who is getting paid less than a penny to decide, call this a motorcycle?”

      Dude needs to answer about a million of those to make money, so he’s not overthinking it, your knee-jerk answer is probably right.

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      I find that whatever your snap judgment is will be the correct answer, so basically yes the moped usually counts as a motorcycle