Yeah the original claims seemed as likely to be true as all the times that terrorists fought to take credit for disasasters that didn’t involve them. It’s quick easy points in fast moving propaganda campaigns. That being said I have seen this fricking twitter thread of internet sleuths used like 4 times and called different things and we keep passing around the same short clip and the complete nonsense arguments.
No I don’t think anyone can say anything about this other than a hospital in gaza was partially blown up like many others and people are still suffering while aid is being kept at arms length from the victims. That’s the real story and I don’t care who did it until real intelligence has something to say on the matter.
https://twitter.com/GrantSmithEllis/status/1714399186295111815?t=wxkjKFCi8k2oZ0FTiwxV1g&s=19
10-minute video captured by AJArabic around the time the al-Ahli hospital was hit.
As per @Ted55643099:
Explosions on this video: (0:19) hospital. (0:16, 4:25, 4:49) behind and to the left of the hospital. (5:33, 5:56, 9:26, 10:46) behind hospital, most likely the same place. (9:38, 10:51) to the right of the hospital outside of the frame, likely the same place.
Crosspost from a similar thread:
So this here is the current view on the area where supposedly about 500 people died. Also there are allegedly more than 300 wounded.
Questions I personally have:
- where is the rubble and where is the bomb crater?
- why does the building seem undamaged?
- how do you fit 800 people in this parking lot?
Well Israel has dropped more bombs this week alone than the entire Afghan war, so it isn’t obscene to think the few hospitals left standing are overcrowded by the thousands. If OSINT is to be believed, it hit the parking lot and wiped out that many people, its a pretty fucking big parking lot. And if it was Hamas, they do not have as powerful of payloads as Israel, so I would assume they were just too weak to collapse the building.
Also it’s unclear how many people died.
how do you fit 800 people in this parking lot?
have you heard of multi level buildings?
I wonder why 800 people would huddle in one building that’s supposed to be off limits to bombs right now. Really boggles the mind yeah? /s
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So you see a multi level building there? You maybe should cut down on the mushrooms.
Here’s a source explaining what happened since I guess no one taught you keyboard ninjas how to do actual research.
Canon Richard Sewell, the dean of St George’s College in Jerusalem, told the BBC that about 1,000 displaced people were sheltering in the courtyard when it was hit, and about 600 patients and staff were inside the building.
There was, but then it got blown up by a rocket. I suggest the opposite: we all take more mushrooms.
I can see in that video, one of the cars got flipped upside down. Whatever detonated there had a significant blast.
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The same organization is making it very clear that this is not proof because they only have publicly available Intel.
The group cited several clips believed to be of the explosion from different sources and claimed the “geolocation and timing of the footage is conclusive”. However, they said their conclusions are not “proven fact”.
“That doesn’t mean that they are THE truth, just what we think is highly likely based on our geolocations(facts) and logic/reason,” they wrote on Twitter.
“We are geolocators, not official investigators… To be sure what really happened, different official investigations are needed.”
Israel and the US have more intelligence that could definitely prove what happened…
But for some reason they aren’t releasing it. Most logical reason is it shows Israel launched it, or blew up the hospital while trying to shoot a rocket down.
If it cleared Israel, that satellite footage would be out by now. Gaza is too tiny for me to believe Israel just wasn’t surveiling it at the time.
Is that really the most logical conclusion to be drawn? It’s been less than a day, and I would really hope intellegince services are more diligent than your average twitter sleuth. Id rather they be right than first, personally.
Also what satellite footage are you talking about?
You dont think Israel has satellites looking at Gaza?
It’s a very very small area, and missiles/rockets are more than visible enough. It should be really easy to see if it came from Israel or further in Gaza.
Hamas doesn’t have satellites, so it makes sense they can’t offer proof.
If Israel wants people to believe them in 2023, they need to understand they’ve already burnt up their benefit of doubt.
Bro 1 quick google search and you have a satellite image of the hospital. Ya’ll just don’t wanna believe anything Israel says at this point.
Yes…
Google maps is a thing, but Israel and the US has live satellite coverage. I guarantee Israels is pointed in that area
And again One quick google search brings you to satellite pictures of the damage published by Israel (and also by other non biased news sources) Just search for it, please. I understand you have your agenda but come on don’t let it hide truths and evidence.
I don’t understand. Ya’ll think Israel is gonna burn an intelligence asset they have by making it public just so people who are already convinced by one narrative (because underdogs are always easier to support) have proof of one attack not being their own? They have better use for that intelligence. Like fighting a war.
Wtf is “open sourced intelligence”? Is it another name for “armchair internet sleuths”?
It’s genuine intel but needs to be verified thoroughly. I will believe it once it hits reputable news sources.
Palestinians lie, and the world blames Jews, then the world targets Jews, and when the truth finally comes out, no one apologizes, the hurt and blood cannot be rescinded, because “The Jews deserved it anyway”
To be fair, no one’s blaming “the Jews”. We’re blaming Israel, which is a very different thing.
More than that, the focus is on a Leader and administration that is opposed by the majority of Israeli people
Yes, Israel doesn’t necessarily mean all Israelis. It’s the government that’s fucked up.
within 24h hours after that explosion at the hospital in Berlin there were reported cases of people spraying stars of david on jew’s houses and an incident with a molotov being thrown at a synagogue.
The line between Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism is VERY thin for a lot of people…
Which is why worldwide Jewish population making up .2% is targeted literally everywhere around the world every time Israel defends itself against Hamas. You keep saying this lie, every time it happens, and yet, targeting worldwide Jewry continues to happen every time Israel defends itself. And all the upvoters are like “yeah, we just got a problem with Israel not Jews” and the Jews keeps saying "why are you stabbing us in the street and targeting synagogues when Israel defends itself.
And some asshole like you will say the same thing next time, and so it goes, the eternal cycle. Jews say this is antisemitic, it’s jew bating, it’s threatening, it’s deadly, and the world says actually it’s not.
War crimes are not “defending itself”. There are literally Jews against Israel at this point. Wtf are you talking about? Israel is literally killing people, there’s no way you’re shifting this into the age old Jew hate debate. Hate crimes are happening, but it’s mostly Israel who’s doing them.
Israel lies. Hamas lies. No one apologizes for the Israeli lies either. You know what Palestinians don’t do… Run an apartheid state. Or turn Israel into an open air prison. Israel is the one here with the power to change the situation. Why don’t they?
It’s definitely tragic the attacks that happened. And our hearts go out to all of those families. Why didn’t any Israelis think about that over the years for the tens of thousands of Palestinians killed in their governments genocidal apartheid?
Israel is with the power to change the situation? Oh really? What could Israel could possibly do do have peace in the region? Besides going “okay we’re leaving bye have tel aviv and jerusalem” nothing could be done to stop the palestinian aggression. Nothing, and they proved that time and time again. Israel has nothing to do in the situation except prevent more attacks on it.
Eject Netanyahu and allies from the government. They’re partially responsible for hamas. Open up Palestine, focus a concerted effort on improving their material conditions and future prospects. People who believe they have equity in a system they perceive as fair and just. Typically don’t seek to destroy it or those they associate with it. Stop bulldozing their homes and stealing their land. Doesn’t matter who started it. It still doesn’t justify what the Israeli government has done.
Israel has everything to do with the situation. A blind hyperpartisan apologist like yourself just could never admit that.
Oh and what do you think would happen the second they open up Palestine? Would they get hugs and kisses or knives and mass raping? Let’s look at 7/10 as an example of what happens when Israelis don’t supervise entry to their country by Palestinians.
And as much as I hate it, Israel is a jewish state. Meaning it’ll never take in so many muslims endangering that jewish majority status - which is horrible. But on the other hand, neither would Palestinians agree to be part of Israel. Do you really think they’ll agree to just enter the state and live alongside existing Israelies? If so, then you live reaaaaaaly far away from that region to know anything about it. A nice resource is “the ask project” on youtube, just watch a couple of videos and see who Israel is facing against. They want nothing to do with Israel. They want their annihilation or exile.
Start looking at other media sites besides al jazira and see what’s really the problem there. Don’t believe neither side wants this war to happen, because noone does. It’s just that both sides are too stubborn (arguably Palestinians more) to do things for their own good.
Oh and what do you think would happen the second they open up Palestine? Would they get hugs and kisses or knives and mass raping?
Neither. That’s a strawman.
Let’s look at 7/10 as an example of what happens when Israelis don’t supervise entry to their country by Palestinians.
That’s a pointless thing to look at as long as you don’t address the underlying inequality and segregation Israel is imposing. Israel is only adding a second problem to address with the first problem that they created. Without doing away with both of them either one in isolation will not be adequate.
But on the other hand, neither would Palestinians agree to be part of Israel.
What’s your source for this? The fact that they won’t allow Palestinians to be part of Israel does not mean that Palestinians wouldn’t want to be. The problem is Israel won’t let them in the first place. If they even did the bare minimum of taking and screening families permitting them to leave Gaza and integrating them into society. This would be a whole different situation. The fact that they locked them down treating them like animals. Then act surprised when they get the retaliation they were looking for in return. Really seems disingenuous.
Start looking at other media sites besides al jazira
Oh cool another straw man. Do you actually have anything of value to say? Or are you just going to continue to try to debate dishonestly?
First, how is that a strawman? You said Israel should open up Palestine, I wrote why Israel shouldn’t. Either you’re speaking unknown terms I don’t understand or you don’t know what strawman argument means.
Secondly, I again advice you to look at more views of this conflict. “The ask project” is a good one asking Israelies and Palestinians questions about hotly debated topics. There you’ll find your answer as to what’ll happen when Israel opens Palestine. Palestinians don’t want to be part of Israel, they want Israel destroyed. You listening to left media is good and keeps you updated under one side of the conflict, but doesn’t reflect the will of the people living there and what happens practically.
The inequality and segregation by Israel is supposing Palestinians want to be integrated into Israel and don’t be allowed to. But the truth is that amongst peaceful Palestinians there are plenty of Iran and ISIS backed people who want to destroy the western world - and Israel to them seems like the frontline. So no, Israel should not stop their segregation, because that’s the only thing keeping them alive to this day.
I find it interesting that this is being defended so vociferously, when so many people still needlessly died.
Well the first claims out by Hamas was 500+ dead and an Israeli airstrike.
Now we are learning it’s more like 20-50 dead, landed in the parking lot next to the hospital and was due to a failed Hamas/related groups rocket.
Yeah either way people died but the entire situation has greatly raised tension in the middle east. It could have been responsible for opening up another front of the war with Hezbollah.
Huh?
The quantity of innocent lives lost makes the correct identification of the culprit maximally important
No it doesn’t. The IDF will lie. Hamas will lie. Did it matter who blew up the Nordstream pipeline? At best, we’ll find out years from now, and, by then the world will have moved on, and it won’t matter.
Civilians died. It is critical to know how.
People aren’t a piece of infrastructure
Pretty sure it was a rocket/missile. I never said people were infrastructure.
Of course it was a projectile. That’s not in question. Knowing who launched it is the point.
You compared the investigation of Nordstream to this.
The standard and necessity is very different.
If Hamas launched it. Nothing changes. If the IDF did it. Nothing changes.
It absolutely matters, yeah people died but guess what, shit don’t end there.
If this is a verifiable attack from Israel it is a clear indicator a war crime and can be used to reduce support to Israel in this effort. Ya know what that could do? Reduce the number of people who will die
Just because someone died doesn’t mean it’s off limits to those that didn’t. What kind of brain dead take is that
No it doesn’t. Israel has committed war crimes leading up to this. Did the world stop that? How many lives did knowing that Israel committed war crimes save? Hamas committed war crimes. Did knowing that save lives? Did I mention that Israel is still committing war crimes? They bombed a school. They bomb the people fleeing. They shot people (including children) during a peaceful protest in 2018. Why didn’t the world care then? It’s that kind of brain dead take.
