“I think it’s going to require a little bit less navel-gazing and a little less whining and being in fetal positions. And it’s going to require Democrats to just toughen up,” Obama said at the fundraiser

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      Lol 100%. Liberals, the left, progressives whatever you wanna call them die because one criticism and folks act like they’re basically Hitler or something.

      Crabs in a bucket

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        I’ll take crabs in a bucket if you’ll take humans with your heads crammed up republican rears. Deal?

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          Like as a country? Yes. That’s exactly what’s wrong with America and why Obama was unable to get things done as most of this entire comment section believes.

          If you’re talking about me, what are you even talking about? Unable to have genuine conversation about history and politics? Not everything is 100 or 0 and the world isn’t black and white, the orphan killing machine will literally never stop running. There will always be awful things you can’t act like a president is going to be the ideal perfect candidate. We have to be able to speak honestly about it and calling Obama a warmonger just really isn’t true.

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          In North America, they call leftists liberals & don’t split hairs like Europe & Latin America.

          In Europe and Latin America, liberalism means a moderate form of classical liberalism and includes both conservative liberalism (centre-right liberalism) and social liberalism (centre-left liberalism). In North America, liberalism almost exclusively refers to social liberalism.

          People in the US get seriously confused that the Liberal party in other countries (eg, Australia) isn’t liberal.

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            Literally not talking about them in anyway that designating the difference matters. Clearly speaking of the left leaning folks in America.

            Also politics aren’t real. They’re made up. The definition of a liberal has and will continue to change.

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              That was clear when you wrote

              Liberals, the left, progressives whatever you wanna call them

              to refer to anything to the left of center and about US politics.

              People at lemmy keep raising this left & liberal distinction, and it’s incredibly annoying, since liberal means left in US politics.

              My conjecture is that it’s the German & Euro part of the community doing it & teaching it to US novices who don’t know better. Their understanding that liberal means classical liberal conservative & their uninformed thinking that a president during Obama’s terms can push any radical change and simply chose not to out of liberalism could explain the unreal arguments & expectations they keep raising here.

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          LMFAO how is that your take away?

          “The worst thing for a (liberal/socialist/leftist/progressive) is another (aforementioned word here)”

          That’s the famous quote. Progress dies because everyone nitpicks it to deal. Obama wasn’t perfect therefore he is Hitler, that is what people think of this as.