He should lawyer up. If you’ve signed contracts, rented apartments and genuinely relocated for this, it should be an immediate lawsuit.
Research the business before you decide your entire future on the decision. PayPal have a long history of this shit.
7 rounds of interviews, weeks of preparation
wtf, I wouldn’t even waste my time with such a useless process.
Some of these employers think they’re hot shit and gaslight applicants into thinking this is an appropriate process that everyone should go through if they want to make ‘the big bucks’. “oh look at me im an industry giant megacorporation/private gov contracted defense sector/researcher academia/silicon valley tech! I can have my pick of the litter, just gotta make HR come up with a big enough maze for the rats run through to string out the weakest ones!”
No you idiots, the job market is in the hands of the worker selling their labor. The interviewee is the one interviewing the companies, the interviewee should be the one to make companies sweat from the fear of passing on them, or your skills aren’t all that unique in terms of bargaining chips. If I have to spend more than five minutes applying through your dogshit website or if you even think about wasting my time with long interview stages+handwritten testing like im back in school then you can suck on my nuts and find someone dumb enough to bite because of the bait of a big paycheck. You think your little monkey money bonus and government contracts requiring clearances and working for a recognizable company name is enough for me degrading myself any more than usual with no gaurentee of actually being hired? Nah.
If anyone is surprised by PayPal’s conduct, they shouldn’t be.
Capitalism. Cruelty Is the point.
“…ask if you have given every bit you have during the pursuit”
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GTFO with that, no sympathy for themAm I supposed to feel sad for a binance bro interviewing for mf paypal? I have more empathy for a rhino poacher.
Would you not be able to sue the employer on the grounds of promissory estoppel? You bought a new house, you quit your old job, and incurred financial harm as a result of the job offer, and so by rescinding that offer (assuming the offer was unconditional), they have harmed you, and you have grounds to sue them.
Maybe in Europe, but in the US At-will employment means that you can be fired at any moment without cause, without warning and without severance.
In general, candidates who are on the end of a rescinded offer do not have much in terms of legal recourse. Although it varies from state to state, unless otherwise specified, employment is “at-will”, meaning either the employer or the employee can terminate the employment relationship at any time and for any reason. Consequently, candidates have a difficult time enforcing a job offer or recovering damages for a rescinded offer when there is no duty on the part of the employer to keep the individual employed.
That said, there are some circumstances in which a candidate may have legal recourse if an employer rescinds a job offer. The candidate may be able to pursue a claim against the employer under one of the following theories: 1) Promissory estoppel, 2) Fraudulent misrepresentation, 3) Breach of contract, and 4) Discrimination.
https://career.mst.edu/resources/students/job-offers-and-rejections/
Promissory estoppel cases are generally a case of the juice not being worth the squeeze, but based on the information in the OP (i.e. hefty demonstrable sunk costs) this particular circumstance is likely to be an exception.
As an environmental regulator in America I know first hand how company owners tend to respect nothing but their own wealth and standing. I write and enforce administrative orders and penalties to company presidents and CEOs. They’ll throw the world under the bus before taking reaponsibility.
But during covid a lot of contracts and orders were digitally signed and not given wet signatures.
So a lot of American company owners are trying to pull back on everything covid. One of the angles is attempting to void all contracts not physically signed with a wet signature. Completely ignoring digital signing is a (new?) tactic being used.
I haven’t seen wet signatures for over a decade now, man, US lives in a bloody stone age.
No, we just get regressive rules when it benefits the rich and progressive rules… when it solely benefits the rich.
They hold up in court, which is why for important legal documents they’re sought out.
Important legal documents are signed with a secure digital signature issued by the government. You basically have a physical OTP generator or you’re using a government portal to generate a one off.
In America we still use fax machines to transmit medical records.
Lol what? Are you serious? My doctor in Latvia was receiving my X ray from a different hospital over the internet back in 2003, wtf is wrong with America?
7 months ago I started a 6 month remote contract for chime.com.
At around 5 months, I asked my manager if she was going to extend me. She said no. Cool, whatever. Life of a contractor.
The product and engineer team rallied against ending my contract and my manager caved and extended my contract for another 6 months.
So a week into my new contract, they asked me to come into the office in San Francisco.
This is a difficult ask from me because I had to find a person to watch my son and my dogs. Drove my son an hour away to my sisters and paid a dog sitter 80/day to watch my dogs.
I land in San Francisco and my boss text me saying she has something important to tell me. I get into the office and a few hours later she cancels my contract because they want to have the person in my role local and to come into the SF office 4 days a week. This new position is also only paying 135k vs my 165k.
The irony of yet another fintech that enables you to do everything from your phone and yet wants the staff in the office. Screw them. You’ll find something better (if you haven’t already).
That’s deplorable! Did your contract have any early termination penalties?
No, not at all. I don’t understand why we even have contracts written if anyone can breach it at will.
Well, fuck them. Your product team and stuff sounds decent though. When they failed to find a local and asks you to come back, remember to demand a 10% raise.
My product team understands the needs. My engineers relies on me to make decisions.
At the end of the day, it’s all money. I’m here to make it. You’re there to exploit me. We have a mutual understanding.
No we don’t. I’m starting a private small business first chance I get. No one will get anything from me except exactly what they deserve
They won’t get more than the bare minimum from me.
Did you talk to a lawyer about this? Why are you so sure they can breach it?
No, I didn’t. I’m just going to learn from this. Never go out of my way for any corporate company.
When was this? Is he a registered Democrat? I can see Musk targeting him for it as a final background check.
But he has an X in his name. Musk would love him.
Idk but he does look like he could be an immigrant taking a closer look.
Love how there is clearly a last line cropped out.
:: eye twitches::
“If the answer is yes, you should be incredibly proud of yourself.” (My guess)
Never quit your job over an offer, I always run my time out at my old job.
Last job switch was last day on Friday, new day of first job on Monday.
What do you mean “running your time out”? I’m having difficulties understanding how that isn’t quitting your job
i think they mean - unless you have signed a proper contract (not just an offer) and there are now consequences for the employer if they let you go for no reason, then you should still stick to your old job
Nailed it.
I don’t think that’s the majority of the companies work. You sign an offer, quit your old job on Friday (at the end of the notice), and sign the new contract the next Monday.
That is how you get exploited. There’s no reason to agree to such a setup.
Ookie, time to leave everything behind and move to Germany?
That must be some American thing. You don’t quit until you sign a contract in Europe.
In the UK you can quit before you sign your employment contract, but by accepting the job offer, your contract with your new employer has already started, and so you’re protected. They can’t legally pull out without compensating you.
I don’t remember much about how it works in the UK tbh, I stuck at the same company for over a decade lol.
So this is some bullshit going on in America? Where I live the contract is signed ahead of time with a specific start date, so this signing an offer (which sounds like nothing more than a pinky promise) and then a contract on the first day is new knowledge to me.
Ah, a fellow wage slave.
If they signed the offer, is that not a contract? Do they not have a pretty clear breach of contract case here?
If they have a signed contract, they’ll sue and quickly win. If they don’t, they won’t.
Right to work baby! At-will employment means “You can leave any time you want, but we can fire you any time we want.”
Yeah, I guess I forgot where I lived for a moment and took for granted my union contract.
No, the offer doesn’t bind parties to sign a contract, it only cements contract details in advance. Both parties can walk away at any point without any explanation.
It’s like a price sticker in the supermarket - it tells you how much something costs and the retailer must respect that. But you are not forced to buy anything upon seeing a sticker.
But you are not forced to buy anything upon seeing a sticker.
of course, but this is like the cashier saying: nah we won’t accept your purchase, the security guard will escort you out of the shop
No, it’s not like that. But guess what? The cashier can tell you exactly that! They can boot you out at any point in time without providing any reason.
That’s the whole point of having a contract. You don’t quit your old job until you have a signed new contract for the new one. I understand that many Americans don’t believe in this basic concept, but it’s common in many countries around the world.
Even a contract includes probation period where they can let you go without reason and short notice. Even in a quite worker-friendly country like Germany it is usually 6 month period with 2 weeks notice (both sides).
Absolutely true, but in this case they seem to be trying to wiggle out of even that minimal notice period. A promissory estoppel case would probably, if the plaintiff won, see damages in the form of payment equal to the salary that would have been earned in that minimum notice period.
Unfortunately many employment agreements in the US are “at will” meaning either party can terminate it immediately at will. In states where this is legal (almost all of them), you’d be hard-pressed to find any company willing to do it any other way.
That must be the Land of the free. :D
And the fun thing of ‘fired at will’ is that it is enshrined in so-called ‘Right to Work’ laws. The evil would be hilarious is it wasn’t so horrible.
No, you’re wrong here. ‘Right to Work’ laws are about preventing unions from controlling an entire workplace, forcing new employees to join the union. ‘At-Will Employment’ laws are entirely seperate from that.
Yea there tends to be a disconnect at the “right to be fired” part.
Right? What is this “Employment Contract” you speak of? I just got told “You start this day, good luck fucker.”
Is that different from signing the offer?
My thoughts exactly… I’m not a lawyer, but I get the feeling that OP has a contract here and the company is trying to gaslight him into thinking that what they’re doing is totally above board.
But again, not a lawyer so what do I know
They usually don’t even give you anything to sign
