First and foremost. Most people’s devices are not powerful enough to make any money mining any cryptocurrency.
Also a cryptominer is not “free real state” it chugs the computer. The user would have a terrible experience trying to do anything with a cryptominer on the background.
And finally, there are many free software out there. Not everything is to be monetized. Some things should just be free. I have done plenty of free things for others to enjoy, it’s not the end of the world, quite the opposite is quite rewarding.
You can already mine on your own and use that money to pay for stuff if it’s viable. This is just displacing the subscription into your electricity bill.
ik, but it would just be more practical to combine the several steps of mining separately, converting the currency, and then paying for the subscription into a single process. Just the option of this would be nice ngl
Counter-point:
crypto-mining should be illegal, period. (and so should AI)
We’re on the brink of climate collapse, we as a species can’t afford to waste massive amounts of electricity on something that literally creates no value.
we as a species can’t afford to waste massive amounts of electricity on something that literally creates no value.
its the fault of the miner if they’re using non-environmental friendly energy sources. if you don’t wanna create emissions, just use solar power.
literally creates no value.
I don’t really see how. if it can be sold for something of value, it has value. crypto might be useless to you, but to some people out there a single Bitcoin is worth more than 80 thousand dollars, so if you have a few Bitcoin, even though to you they might be useless, you can sell them for money
if you don’t wanna create emissions, just use solar power.
If you have access to solar power, it would be better to use it for something else, or feed it back into the grid.
As long as we’re still burning fossil fuels to create electricity anywhere on earth, wasting any kind of energy is bad.
Crypto has a price (because people believe that it has a price).
It doesn’t add any value to anything. It’s expensive (in terms of energy cost) and absolutely, 100% useless.
This feels like a technical approach for a solution to a political problem.
We shouldn’t normalize a solution to a predatory approach that companies have, we should regulate so that the approach can’t be taken by companies on the first place, we should foster competition so that those who do are going to be outcompeted etc.
Wasting even more electricity to compute numbers used in an unstable speculative market with no clear future is IMHO a completely wrong approach to the problem.
But would it cost more to pay for the extra electricity or for the product? At least for the electricity you could invest in solar and lower your bill dramatically
That would be a huge waste of ressources. We as humans need to switch to carbon-free energy sources and should not start wasting ressources on mining “steam bux”.
Sure, but we’re not going to suddenly move to some Star Trek commie utopia. For now, developers need to get paid. Either I goto work and make money (burning carbon) to pay for it, or advertising (toxic) pays for it, or crypto mining (also toxic). How does this developer, living under capitalism, buy food, housing and medical without something to make money? Goodwill donation links are unlikely to cut it.
I totally disagree here. First of all, the initial proposal was for the steam client to mine crypto. The client has no idea where its electricity comes from. And no grid is using 100% renewables, so its currently better to feed your solar power into the grid than to waste it on crypto
The client has no idea where its electricity comes from.
If the client cared to find out, they could just find out. Regardless of mining they’re creating emissions if its not green, so its not even that big of a problem. You could use this same argument to say that using microwaves is bad because the electricity they use isn’t entirely green.
society should normalize having crypto-miners in software, like as an official method of monetization that the user consents to
that would actually fix most of our problems, no ads, no subscrption fees
I don’t see a downside to this
edit: if you disagree with me on this, reply. I wanna debate this
There are several issues with that.
First and foremost. Most people’s devices are not powerful enough to make any money mining any cryptocurrency.
Also a cryptominer is not “free real state” it chugs the computer. The user would have a terrible experience trying to do anything with a cryptominer on the background.
And finally, there are many free software out there. Not everything is to be monetized. Some things should just be free. I have done plenty of free things for others to enjoy, it’s not the end of the world, quite the opposite is quite rewarding.
You can already mine on your own and use that money to pay for stuff if it’s viable. This is just displacing the subscription into your electricity bill.
ik, but it would just be more practical to combine the several steps of mining separately, converting the currency, and then paying for the subscription into a single process. Just the option of this would be nice ngl
Counter-point:
crypto-mining should be illegal, period. (and so should AI)
We’re on the brink of climate collapse, we as a species can’t afford to waste massive amounts of electricity on something that literally creates no value.
its the fault of the miner if they’re using non-environmental friendly energy sources. if you don’t wanna create emissions, just use solar power.
I don’t really see how. if it can be sold for something of value, it has value. crypto might be useless to you, but to some people out there a single Bitcoin is worth more than 80 thousand dollars, so if you have a few Bitcoin, even though to you they might be useless, you can sell them for money
If you have access to solar power, it would be better to use it for something else, or feed it back into the grid.
As long as we’re still burning fossil fuels to create electricity anywhere on earth, wasting any kind of energy is bad.
Crypto has a price (because people believe that it has a price).
It doesn’t add any value to anything. It’s expensive (in terms of energy cost) and absolutely, 100% useless.
This feels like a technical approach for a solution to a political problem. We shouldn’t normalize a solution to a predatory approach that companies have, we should regulate so that the approach can’t be taken by companies on the first place, we should foster competition so that those who do are going to be outcompeted etc.
Wasting even more electricity to compute numbers used in an unstable speculative market with no clear future is IMHO a completely wrong approach to the problem.
My electricity bill would like to have a word
I bet most of the upvotes are from people who consider crypto mining to be “free money” because they don’t pay their own electric bills.
But would it cost more to pay for the extra electricity or for the product? At least for the electricity you could invest in solar and lower your bill dramatically
That sounds terrible. Also a lot of games use the gpu so you probably don’t want to share it with mining at the same time
the randomX hash function Monero uses runs on the CPU, not the gpu
it could just use like 1-2 threads if the game is taking a lot of processing power
edit: if ur gonna mass downvote me, say why 🤦
Nobody wants a shitcoin miner taking resources on their machine
I don’t think its a horrible idea but maybe have an option for purchase, ads, or crypto. But yeah people are going to hate you for this comment 🤣
that’s what I’m thinking, but additionally having a option to directly ‘sell’ your computing power should also be an option
actually though. I haven’t been on Lemmy for too long but this might be the most downvotes ive gotten on a comment
Congratulations. It happens. I didn’t think it was too bad an idea. What if steam ran the miner to produce steam bux?
That would be a huge waste of ressources. We as humans need to switch to carbon-free energy sources and should not start wasting ressources on mining “steam bux”.
Sure, but we’re not going to suddenly move to some Star Trek commie utopia. For now, developers need to get paid. Either I goto work and make money (burning carbon) to pay for it, or advertising (toxic) pays for it, or crypto mining (also toxic). How does this developer, living under capitalism, buy food, housing and medical without something to make money? Goodwill donation links are unlikely to cut it.
crypto mining doesn’t need to create carbon. if a miner creates emissions, that’s on them for not using solar
Opportunity costs still exist
I totally disagree here. First of all, the initial proposal was for the steam client to mine crypto. The client has no idea where its electricity comes from. And no grid is using 100% renewables, so its currently better to feed your solar power into the grid than to waste it on crypto
If the client cared to find out, they could just find out. Regardless of mining they’re creating emissions if its not green, so its not even that big of a problem. You could use this same argument to say that using microwaves is bad because the electricity they use isn’t entirely green.
I would pay good dollar money to be this stupid.
Do you think solar panels come from thin air? How is that going to do anything but offset renewable adoption?
Now you’re just being rude.
Given the comment I’m responding to, I felt it was appropriate.