I was wondering why these types of open source projects always push to Github, despite the latter always complying with DMCA. (I get that Github provides discoverabilty features, but it just isn’t worth it to have all your work taken down).
On a similar note, has anyone tried out https://radicle.xyz/? It’s supposed to actually make use of git’s peer to peer nature (and not the client server model that everyone adopts with git) and ideally provide discoverability features.
The said I’ve only read the faq and haven’t actually tried it myself. Basically I’m wondering if it’s worth doing a deep dive on this technology
Give CodeBerg a look. It’s starting to pick up some steam.
A lot of my favorite open source android apps have been switching to CodeBerg. Some of my less than legal ones have moved to Telegram, unfortunately. That aside, CodeBerg is great and hopefully it will gain even more traction soon.
It’s nice that Obtainium supports CodeBerg, too. I have a few must-have apps that I like to keep up to date straight from their repositories.
Some of my less than legal ones have moved to Telegram
I’m intrigued
Lol, its just my manga/anime apps. You can still find some of the repositories on github, but they moved all updates to TG. They also request users to not put the app name on any social media to avoid what happened to Tachiyomi.
There’s a large sweep going on with anime piracy atm, too. Github has been obliterating apps left and right.
It doesn’t catch on because entry level devs love committing private keys
The project is now being made available via a repo on cdm-project.com but how long that’s likely to last is unclear.
I’ve mirrored it to my own git server too https://git.ngram.ca/mirrors/cdrm-project I will ignore DCMAs because I (and the server) don’t live in the USA.
Canada might start ignoring DMCA as a whole if the idiots in my government keep harassing them. Maybe that’ll piss off Hollywood and friends in a useful way…
(Just ignore me laugh weeping at the prospect that billionaires stabbing each other in the back is the only thing I can look forward to in my country now)
Widevine, BTW, is a Google product that all the browser vendors agree to use. Its the only reason HTML5 has gotten anywhere.
Its crazy that we can’t agree on any international rules except the ones that protect IP hoarding
There needs to be a widespread p2p solution for opensource projects before its too late. I have lost count of all the amazing stuff that has been gravity bombed from orbit.
There also needs to be a way for authors to submit things anonymously too and maybe sign their things with cryptographic keys to ID it. How many times has a company had a court order someone to cease and desist or simply acquire somebody’s work?
I2p has a git service
p2p solution for opensource projects
That’s called Git and it’s been around longer than GitHub. There is also Usenet which by now is mostly dead. People fell for centralized alternatives. Oops :)
You’d think Usenet is dead.
It’s not.Git is, but it has no process of discovery or hosting by itself. Those are needed to efficiently share open source software to large numbers of people.
Right? Git is literally decentralized. If you choose to use GitHub as a centralized Git service, that’s on you.
(I will caveat this by saying we moved 2009scape off GitHub and the number of new contributors probably got cut in half. Mainstream services have a lot more eyes)
I tried to follow that link and it seems Cloudflare blocked me. Don’t suppose you know who I’d need to talk to to resolve that would you?
Did Cloudflare not let you pass with a captcha?
Nope, just straight up blocked
2009scape is wonderful for those like me who need to scratch that RuneScape itch without a subscription. The fact I can play it off of a USB is testament to itself how incredibly awesome you guys are. Thank you for the project, sincerely. :')
How come Git is decentralized?
Doesnt it need a central component so I can pull your changes?Edit: Thanks to all that explained it to me :)
Fundamentally, the repository you have on GitHub is the same thing as the repository you have on your computer when you clone it. Pulling and pushing are shorthands for synchronizing commits between the two repositories, but you could also synchronize them directly with somebody else who cloned the repository. As somebody mentioned, you can also just host the same repository on two servers, and push to both of them.
The issue is that git doesn’t include convenient features like issues, pull requests, CI, wikis, etc., and by extensions, those aren’t included in your local repository, so if GitHub takes them down, you don’t have a copy.
An extra fun fact is that git can be considered a blockchain. It’s a distributed ledger of immutable commits, each one representing a change in state relative to the previous one. Everybody who clones a repository gets a copy of its entire history and fast forwards through the changes to calculate the current state.
But to push/pull you’d in theory need to port forward your git server/workstation, right?
Git exposes a lot of internals through odd commands, so I suspect you could manage synchronization by sending changes over email or something.
Bonus fun fact: there’s a
git bundlecommand that “dumps” the repository into a single file, that can be interacted with as a remote. So if you’re ever working with a local repository and want to put it on a server over ssh or something like that, you can just create a bundle, scp it over, and clone from that on the server.Git works through ssh. So you need the same system as sshing into your machine. You just make a user group git and then let git and ssh handle things. And if you don’t need people to push to your repo, then it’s a lot easier as it’s now similar to hosting a website/file server.
You can have arbitrarily many git “remotes”: GitHub, gitlab, your own custom forge, etc…
Git a cmd tool only. Your can remote wherever you like.
Changes can come from anywhere. The Linux kernel itself doesn’t use any central repository like Github, it’s instead done via emailing patches that are eventually merged into the mainline kernel repository managed by Linus.
It is 100% decentralized.
Sounds like it’s centralized around Linus…
mainline kernel repository managed by Linus.
It is 100% decentralized.
But… How does that work? The code has to be stored somewhere…
Linus memorises it.
How does that work? The code has to be stored somewhere…
The code is replicated by everyone who works on it, and on various public and private servers, so you might say it’s stored everywhere.
…I need to watch a video on this 😂
git is clearly not p2p in the needed level or else we wouldn’t have faced this problem
I found https://radicle.xyz/ but I’ve never used this technology before. Maybe someone can shed some light?
It’s not always takedowns either, just the developer deciding to nuke their own repos. Real annoying, although it’s making me more vigilant about forking/mirroring important repos.
All you need for this is a global overlay network and a global DNS untied from physical infrastructure. Cryptographic identities (hash of pubkey will do) instead of IP addresses (because NATs are PITA and too many people use mobile devices behind big bad NATs), and finding (in something like Kademlia) records signed by authority you yourself chose to trust instead of asking DNS.
Then come encryption and dynamic routing and synchronization of published states.
One can have some kind of Kademlia for discovery of projects too, but on the next level.
I2P comes close, but it’s more focused on anonymity.
OK, I’m not sure what I wrote makes sense. These things are easy to grasp somehow, but hard to understand well.
OK, I’m not sure what I wrote makes sense. These things are easy to grasp somehow, but hard to understand well.
yeah it seems you forgot what you wanted to say midway.
to extend on it, I2P, Tor and other mixnets provide the only safe way currently to host projects that others don’t like, because such sites cannot be taken down. that’s both a blessing and a curse
I wanted to say something about easily hosting searchable repositories, and solving a few of the problems because of which the Web as it exists still has users.
Open-source projects are quiet safe on Github. Maybe don’t push illegal code? Seems pretty obvious to me.
Do you forget who determines what is illegal?
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Codeberg exists. But no people still have to just flock to corporate bullshit and then be surprised when they pull a corporate bullshit.
Codeberg is great, but it is hosted in Germany, and subject to their laws. AFAIK, Germany has laws against tools for “circumventing copy protection”, or “hacking”.
So I am not sure that they can provide a save haven for tools, where some lawyer could argue these points successfully in front of a court.
Also has the highest rate of website take-downs/bans. To be fair: mostly revenge “naked pictures of my ex” websites. But yeah. Piracy + Germany = not good. You’d rather turn to the Netherlands for that.
ActivityPub is amazing for censorship because anything that gets posted to one instance gets immediately archived thousands of times over.
hehe
Curious to know what this email conversation looks like. 🍿
I mean, “fuck you OnlyFans” seems correct phrasing
git clone this before it gets taken down
sent a complaint
project has been ejected
Bad pattern.
The moment when GitHub was bought by M$, the risk of such behavior started.
To GitHub’s credit, when rightsholders allege violations of the DMCA’s anti-circumvention provisions, GitHub conducts its own assessment. If there is no basis for a claim, GitHub sometimes finds other copyright-related grounds, but here there is no pushback. That’s usually a sign of a complaint that stands up under intense scrutiny.
This just implies that the Microsoft employee was an OnlyFans subscriber simp.
Ngl if you pirate indie porn you are scum. Most people who make it aren’t well off.
not everyone that downloads content isn’t paying for it… they might just want it in a place or format that isn’t being provided
Is this a pirating tool or a tool for downloading local copies of what you did pay for? I know Fansly has weird settings where you lose access to stuff you paid for if you change your tier or need to lapse your membership for a bit. I stopped paying anyone when the archiving tool I used stopped working.
Like Katy Perry???
Don’t be a bell end
The mentioned repositories enable and encourage criminal behavior. And it’s quiet intentional. It’s because of piracy that we have DRM in the first place. The audacity now of pirates to wine about them not getting what they want like the entire world revolves just around them.
Your whole series of posts in this thread are seriously unhinged. Are you trying to cosplay a corpo bootlicker or something?
It’s either that or you’ve been born wealthy enough to never have to think about the money you spend.
Bypassing DRM isn’t criminal behaviour.
Baseless (and also wrong) assumption that piracy is responsible for by any means significant monetary losses aside, there are other reasons for bypassing that DRM bullshit. Like, off the top of my head:
- archiving – when you don’t have a local copy of a piece of content, it can be changed or deleted at any time;
- ability to access stuff on a wider range of devices – I want to be able watch my favorite coomtent creator in full resolution on my phone that has only L3 and quite outdated version of widevine without installing proprietary crapp, so what;
- bypassing bullshit restrictions – not sure if onlyfans in particular does that, but we have Netflix, for example, that would tell you to fuck off when you’re not watching from home be it VPN or an actually different location when traveling.
They know all that. They want you to be able to only consume content the exact they they publish it.
That simplifies market analysis, removes the dilemma of supporting or not supporting some other way users want, and ideally selling the same thing a few times.
They want you to be able to only consume content the exact they they publish it.
And they have every right to do so. If you like it or not. You don’t own and have not created the protected content. On what basis are you deciding it should not be DRM protected?
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And they have every right to do so.
morally, no. cartoon mouse says, yes.
On what basis are you deciding it should not be DRM protected?
they have literally given 3 of such bases
On the basis of having bought it. If they haven’t sold it but made such an impression, then they’ve committed a crime.
When you are buying a cure against all problems with miniscule text saying it’s just a metaphor, the seller is committing a crime. It’s the same here.
Morally. Regardless of how courts interpret this right now. That feature that courts and practice officially do not equal morality and thus we can decide differently this time, if we can provide an explanation, is the main advantage of English legal system and those descended from it over others.
On what basis are you deciding it should not be DRM protected?
they have literally given 3 of such bases
Also baseless assumptions.
Btw, you don’t need to use whatever service you don’t own if you disagree with their practices. DRM is shit. But you’re not in any position to elevate yourself above that. You don’t own the services and you have not contributed in creating the protected content. You have no right to decide anything.
Agreed to disagree then. IMO, if a company thinks it’s OK to throw me over the dick hiding behind being afraid of shadows, deny me access to legally obtained content on my devices, walk back on previous deals, and so on, then I have no problem with getting unrestricted access to stuff they decided I don’t technically own. Fuck the fucker, simple as that.
By subscribing you agree to a contract. The company is doing no shitty practice since everything is black and white in the contract. You just don’t like the contract. But the consequence should be to not sign it.
The company is doing no shitty practice since everything is black and white in the contract.
Unconscionability says otherwise.
Even buying physical media, they claim you still don’t own the content, are only leasing it. It’s all bullshit to charge more and give us less. Stop defending this practice of eroding consumer rights
Format-shifting and time-shifting your legally acquired and licensed media is not illegal. If the DRM is preventing someone from doing that then it is within their rights to remove the DRM. Recall that not everyone lives in a country subject to the draconian DMCA law.
Are you serious right now? You can’t actually believe ordinary people will go out of their way to visit some random Github repository just to remove the DRM for their convenience. I guarantee you that 100% of contributers and users of that repo are doing piracy.
oh you’re very confidently wrong, I very much will, you corporate bootlicker
Because that was the intended use case for this repository.
Don’t people buy stuff on OF, more than just a sub? Is it easily available for download in a common file format or is access stuck on the website even though you bought it?
I agree that straight piracy of content is bad. Piracy is primarily a service problem, TV and movie piracy was down in the mid 2010s until all the streaming services divided. Music piracy is basically gone thanks to early iTunes and even more so with today’s streaming services. OF piracy will always be a thing because people want their free porn and the parasocial relationship they don’t get on the regular free sites.
If corporations refuse to just sell us the file and can randomly revoke access or change the content (like Amazon’s been doing with book), then the community will find ways to strip out the DRM and other protections just to preserve the content they bought.
I don’t have a problem with github removing of projects that aim to circumvent purchasing content, but projects that simply “unlock” purchased content should be allowed to thrive.
Edit: I should add, if corporations can’t be bothered to respect what the word buy means, why I should I bother to provide them money? morality is a two way street, if one side is dishonest and shady, do they really have a right to whine when others steal from them?
Edit 2: in case it wasn’t clear the “dishonest and shady” one is the corporations. Its to the point were I pretty much only pay creators directly (patreon, etc) where I know good chunk of my money goes to the artist not the publisher/middle man. If I’m buying a movie or something its either a DVD or getting screen caped on the first watch for archival purposes.
Edit: I should add, if corporations can’t be bothered to respect what the word buy means, why I should I bother to provide them money? morality is a two way street, if one side is dishonest and shady, do they really have a right to whine when others steal from them?
Ah, yes, remember all that tone of honesty and seriousness from companies in the 00s against bad, bad pirates, and also scorn at FOSS, like those amateur toys, we make better things? And now from time to time those “serious professional” programs from then are found to contain GPL violations. Or how Sony put a virus on music CDs.
TBH, there was a time when things were better with actually buying software and music and such. And probably the surge of piracy was first.
But somehow that doesn’t hurt Steam. Quoting GN - because piracy is a service problem. People generally pirate what they can’t comfortably buy. There were games I’ve never seen in stores in my childhood (no official localization, and by the time I got interested in them people selling bootleg discs in subway road crossings were coming out of fashion here). Piracy was the way I got them.
Piracy will always be a problem, someone is always looking for the free route. The paid routes used to be guarantees of availability, malware free, and a quality copy. Now its almost the opposite, a pirated file is always available, usually malware free and higher resolution than whatever the data mining services feel like feeding you.
It’s very simple, one should legally target what’s advertised as selling when it’s not really selling. Heavily. Like fraud. Like obvious crime.
That will improve the situation.
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Pirates breathe air, therefore oxygen is enabling copyright infringement
Right. Let’s legalize nukes and bio-weapons for the average Joe. I’m sure someone is going to find a legitimate use for them that doesn’t involve using them as a weapon. There is always someone who uses them in a fair way. So it’s perfectly justified to allow them as they basically compare to oxygen now.
Logic checks out?
Don’t forget to wipe your nose. You got a little shit there stuck there from all the corporate ass licking.
