I’m happy for you Canada.
You succeeded where America couldn’t.
Are y’all accepting asylum for programmers / tech professionals?
If you’re serious, start looking for companies hiring up here. As I understand it’s not easy, even for economic class immigrants, but I work in tech and I work with many immigrants (albeit not usually from the US, but it’s a different world now). Mind you - please look carefully into the financial impacts as it is a change from the US. Salaries are lower and taxes generally higher, which may or may not be offset in your context in other ways (healthcare a big one, income tax deductions, etc.) But many people, myself included, prefer Canada regardless of the reduced compensation. It’s not always about money.
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Asylum, not yet. There’s still a treaty on the books recognising America as equivalently safe. Presumably it will get rolled back soon.
If you’re serious, I can send you to the points quiz for economic immigrants.
What happens when a ‘safe third country’ starts adopting extractionary systems left behind by colonial empires that have, in part, held back third world economies for decades? Keep an eye on America to find out!
I’m sure America’s substantial purchasing power will help prevent the rot from spreading within. Right? Right?!
I’d very much appreciate any correspondence you have on the matter. Thank you!
It’s actually gotten really complicated lately, sorry about that. Here’s the quiz for express entry: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/check-score.html
Generally speaking, the highest-scoring applicants get in first. If that fails, maybe there’s some niche provincial program or something, but you’ll probably need to hire an immigration lawyer to have a chance of figuring it out. Here’s a link I found on the other options.
If you do get let in, I recommend driving up in an RV. The housing market in Canada is still really fucked, and that’s a decent fallback option. Winter-safe ones exist, but I also see people building little insulated enclosures, and if you can manage to afford BC it’s not much of an issue there anyway.
“Build, baby, build” is something Carney has pledged to do. I would like to see the return of government built housing for low income families. These were not “slums”. They were built for hard working people that didn’t enjoy high incomes. My son-in-law’s mother was lucky enough to get a unit in one of these places. It’s a well run place for retirees on a fixed income, and rent is based on income. New buildings won’t mean anything if the wealthy are building and running them (and charging rents). Send a respectful letter to your new government pointing this out!
Honestly, slums themselves meet that description. People who don’t need them just dislike having to look at or think about them, which is hella elitist.
New buildings won’t mean anything if the wealthy are building and running them (and charging rents). Send a respectful letter to your new government pointing this out!
You know, the actual quantitative evidence is pretty strong that particular market is competitive. If anything, being a landlord is a relatively bad investment of a million dollars. I fully expect that if the NIMBYs don’t derail it, more supply will end the problem.
Ironically, Trudeau hanging around for a long as he did may have saved Canada. If this election had happened in the middle of last year, the Conservatives would have probably won and combined with Trump, it would have been a disaster. Possibly the smartest/luckiest thing he has ever done.
At the end of the day it all comes down to the role of the dice.
In Canada, the US, and the UK, yeah. In countries with good elections, things are a little more deterministic.
Idk if you’re a nerd, but Brian Klass is a contemporary political scientist who actually challenges this, and yet still affirms a determinist lense. His latest book is on his chaos theory that I think can be helpful navigating our current world.
Here’s his big think interview if you’re interested!
One way to think of this is that we can’t predict the future with what we know of the past because the “rules” are constantly changing. One example is an academic paper that was written that said middle eastern dictatorships were especially stable in comparison to others, but then a year later the Arab Spring occurs. His take is that the author wasn’t wrong- based on all the information of the past it made sense that these dictatorships were not going away anytime soon, but what happened was the world changed making those assumptions moot.
So the idea that European democracies are inherently stable isn’t necessarily a given, and as our world is drastically changing, our tools to gauge the health of a democracy are becoming less and less relevant.
in this case it was the early voter turnout and the special ballots that really lifted it. And we cannot ever forget Bloc. They did a huge push on this one. No one hates Trump quite as much as Quebecois and they showed it 20 fold. Quite a ride watching all this. Especially what with the cyber attacks on the PM during this short campaign was relentless as was the propaganda radios. It honestly should be a case study on how out of control the propaganda was getting on X and facebook.
Trump made Québécois what Canadians themselves couldn’t do, make Québécois more Canadian.
Cannot believe I’m living in an era where Alberta is more separatist than Quebec.
Watching them sing the anthem full-throated during the 4 nations was a sight to behold.
A common threat forces people together.
The cherry on top:
Little PP got his ass kicked. I love it !
I don’t know how it works there. Was Pierre running in two races?
Would there have a special election for this seat if he had won both?
What are the odds he loses support and goes quiet after losing both, especially his backup incumbent election? (Knowing hard losses used to discourage people, but not always now)
No one actually “runs for Prime Minister”. The Prime Minister is simply the leader of the governing party. That is determined by the number of seats each party wins. The PM is almost always an elected MP, but as demonstrated for the past few weeks they don’t have to be.
Thank you! I understand now.
Prime Minister is similar to Speaker of the House- everyone gets elected in their district and then the majority party (or in the case of a
functional democracymulti-party system, a coalition of parties that add up to 51% of the elected officials) picks their own Speaker/Prime Minister without further input from the public. In practice, if you’re already the party leader then you’re sure (95%~) to be the prime minister after your party wins/gets the biggest share in the election
As a dumbass American… Go Canada! Fuck yeah good work!
yes, it is so relieving that this right wing populist trend seems to be failing in our closest neighbor. Hopefully the failure of this administration will wake a lot more places up, and create a greater push back against this trend to the far right.
I wish the reaction to Trump would fuel the left-liberals/social libertarians in Germany. Instead, a quarter of the populace wants to vote for nazis. So I wish I’d live in Canada or some other queer friendly nation that isn’t being dominated by the far right right now.
We almost went far right too. Our conservatives aren’t nazis but if they won this one we would be following Germany’s footsteps
Also Germany is likely more queer friendly than Canada lol
According to international orgs, Canada is more queer friendly in both public sentiment and legally. Just because violence isnt too common doesn’t mean there is no discrimination. As an androgynous presenting person 50% of the time, I have been verbally assaulted plenty of times both by far right and MLs in Germany.
Ever been to Canada? You’d be welcomed in Vancouver Calgary Toronto Montreal but go to a smaller place and you’d be in for a rough time
One anecdote: Trans people do exist in rural Canada. The woman who sold me tires outside Saskatoon was I’m-pretty-sure-maybe-definitely trans and gave every appearance of getting along fine with her coworkers.
I can’t speak to her quality of life generally but anyway nobody has chased her off to Vancouver yet. I would imagine tire shops are probably on the worse end for harassment so if Saskatoon was hell on earth for trans people she probably wouldn’t pick a tire shop to work at.
Lol just because she gets along with her coworkers doesn’t mean she doesn’t deal with shit. I would bet money she does in SK.
Well that’s bullshit. And I’m from rural Alberta
I’m from rural Alberta too and I was bullied heavily just for having long hair. Honestly fuck rural Alberta.
Some in Germany. Though there are even larger cities that aren’t very queer friendly in Germany, especially in the east.
…gay space communism FTW!..
Fully automatic gay space luxury communism tyvm
Because the “left liberals” in Germany are also Nazis arguing that Israel is allowed to kill civilians in Gaza.
Trump’s truculence has infuriated Canadians
That is a 100% new word to me. 😐
trumpulence
My vocabulary is embiggened.
Me too! And a perfect description :)
Why 😐?
Congratulations on learning a new word.
…today i told a coworker that i was listening to the transformers soundtrack because transformers rule and i also have a huge transformers collection because transformers totally rule, and he sent me that emoji in response…
Thanks!
I wanted a wide-eyed closed-mouth emoji, lol. After viewing on firefox mobile, however, it looks unintentionally aloof.
Seriously? You’re shaming someone for learning a new word?
I can see how it looks that way, but I think Candletiger was sincere.
I was sincere about the congratulations but only offered them because I thought you were complaining that the news shouldn’t use fancy words. lol.
I’m glad we were all able to talk this out.
Meirdas Touch once again. The orange shit stain backs a Con and all voters take that as a sign that the person is a piece of shit and votes opposite.
Sometimes it works nicely.
Top Poilievre defense he did use a lot of Trump’s talking points and techniques. Branding himself as Trump light.
Temu Trump
He showed who he was, and people believed him, as they should.
Fuck man, I wish I could afford move to Canada right now.
I can but they won’t let my friends in. I didn’t realize until I looked into it but national borders are actually quite rigid
You’d have to build new roots in a new place. I’ll admit I worry that I’m running out of time for that at my age, or at the very least the window is closing.
Makes me feel pretty depressed. I’m not super happy with the landscape of people I have to interact with. I have a lot of decent friends but I feel like the number of very close friendships I have is zero due to a lot of major value differences and low population.
I’m feeling the same way. I’ve been mostly “stuck” in wherever I just ended up. Part of me really does fantasize about fleeing somewhere better, especially being in a part of the US with an absolutely abysmal education record (and it shows. Oh boy.)
But besides the resources, I don’t have some ultra compelling reason for a non-volatile nation to bother letting me in.
There’s cool people here, and I try to get along with whomever, but forming relationships feels really high stakes these days since contested politics and tribalism is infecting every facet of peoples’ lives.
No one can afford to move to Canada. Our housing prices are stupid.
Even more unaffordable for an American. They need to have bankroll to survive a year without income and that includes covering possible medical expenses for 3 months. I have friends who have wanted to move here for years and the hurdles are large even with skills and secondary education. Only those with highly in demand educated skills get an easier path.
No different in America, and corporations are buying up homes so they can jack the prices up even higher. MAGA wants a population of renters so that they can control us by threatening us with homelessness.
Electoral Reform will be passed this time… right?
Of course it will … hahahahaha
It was not in the platform. I’ll settle for staying sovereign, maybe we can clean up FPTP later.
Canada should give Trump the Order of Canada for unifying the country. Do it.
Having a criminal history would likely make him ineligible.
There’s no outright rule against it but several people have been removed from the order for committing crimes.
Fuck you Buffy. Another american scumbag.
Felons aren’t allowed in Canada
Hopefully Britain follows Canadas footsteps (as we might vote in wish trump)
Please, he’s Pound-Stretcher Trump. Not even Poundland would stock him.
What elections are coming up in the UK? I thought Starmer won a majority just last year.
no, but local elections are
You do your local elections all at once?
this outcome has less to do with trump’s actions, and more to do with how the conservatives behaved in spite of those actions.
I think enough people were like me, ready to vote conservative, but then lost faith in the party since they didnt really seem to have a plan on anything once trudeau was gone early. Pollievre’s stock tanked once people saw that Trudeau was gone, and what was happening in the world
Long as you’re voting against fascists man
I don’t want to vote against anybody. Canada forces such decisions, though, just like the US and the UK.
Poillievre flirted with Trumpian rhetoric though.
He tried to mimic 2016 2020 trump. And it was palatteable to many
But when the 2025 version came out. It disgusted people
I don’t know that ‘Conservative’ exists anymore. I’m American, but I think these comments work everywhere else, as Authoritarianism rises.
Growing up, I believed that liberal/conservative was just a difference in approach, but not a difference in end-goal. Both ‘teams’ wanted the country to prosper. In my 40s, now, I clearly see that we have different goals: Liberals want everyone to be prosperous, healthy, fulfilled. Conservatives value the prosperity only of those on top.
You may identify as conservative, little ‘c’, respect tradition and be careful with spending, etc; but I want you to closely evaluate the actions of people using that label across the globe. A vote for a conservative or right-wing candidate is a vote for the top 1% or less of the population of the planet. They may align with you on some topics, such as religion, abortion, fiscal policies, regulations, and more; but that is a ploy and they are absolutely willing to throw you away as soon as they have your vote and will cut everything you depend on once in power in order to pad their own pockets.
There are certainly perverse incentives and systemic issues that make even liberal politicians support bad policies, but the voter bloc that is ‘liberal’ wants to make things better for everyone. The conservative politicians, at least in the US where I’m paying attention, seem to be hell-bent on making things worse instead.
This has less to do with Trump’s actions, and more to do with how the convervatives behaved…
This has been my experience as well and I’d like to highlight your insightful point on how it seemed like both options were still trying to work towards a greater good decades ago.
Modern day conservatism seems entirely based on the ethos that inclusivity has gone too far. Since the world has become (in a very general and oversimplfying sense) more fair and inclusive over time, the ideology now feels inherently regressive.
Really, Mark Carney is what a conservative used to be. These days people who identify as “conservative” are internet weirdos that stress over “wokeness” and whichever conspiracy theory is popular on the internet on that day.
The line between regressive and conservative is so hard to define. However the former certainly is in ascendancy in America.
Explain how they gained more seats then.
The conservatives barely lost because the progressives and the BQ voters cut their legs off to hoist up the liberals.
We’ll see if the liberals take Quebec for granted like NDP did after Layton.
That’ll be important. We’ll also see how Canadians react to the atrocities the USA will commit in the next 4 years too however.
Genuine question, what initially led you to wanting to vote conservative and what could they have run on for you to have stuck with then?
Honestley, I was going to vote conservative, even after Trump. And then Pollievre went into third gear with Woke Derangement Syndrome, the guy was having unhinged rants. Couldn’t get a paragraph out without mentioning woke. Ask him to define it, and he’d either PP.EXE stop responding, or he’d fly off the handle with pre-programmed slogans.
Stupid people on both sides of the race. But that was what turned me.
I’m curious, what attracted you to the Conservatives prior to the Maple-MAGA movement?
the last 4 elections I’d voted L > C > C > L
Im a moderate. I thought that the Trudeau Liberals had gone too far left back during the Scheer and Otoole days. Come this time around, I just lost any confidence I had in the Conservative party because they built their identity on “we’re not the liberals”. and failed to convince me they werent just going to kowtow to American Corpo-Fascist interests.
But if you would have asked me about specific policies that irked me to turn Conservative during the past … its been a long time, I’d probably just point to specific times and incidents over the gun policy, immigration, corruption with the SNC lavalin scandal, and maybe foreign policy. I live in a very ignorant and uneducated town in a NS riding that had been pretty hardcore conservative the last 2-3 elections, and my peers probably played a hand in influencing my issues. I thought our riding was solidly going to remain Conservative, CTV projected Cons won, but several hours later they reversed it and Libs have apparentley won it.
Foreign Policy has always been a major “issue” of mine too, Until 2025 when we were faced with the nonzero possibility of actual aggression and conflict with America, the biggest thing that would influence my vote was how seriously the party was going to take the issue of us being more or less, de-facto at war with Russia, Because the “shadow” World War III is something that in my mind took precedent.
Not the original commentor, but the people I’ve discussed this with usually say one of 4 things. These aren’t necessarily my views, just what I’ve heard from others:
- The government is too easy on crime and we grant people bail who are dangerous to release.
- Gun control is a waste of time and money and isn’t tackling the real issue as nearly all gun crime isn’t committed by legal gun owners.
- More housing needs to be made (note that both major parties seem to agree on this).
- More infrastructure needs to be built to capitalize on our oil and natural resources exports.
The government is too easy on crime and we grant people bail who are dangerous to release.
The left has dropped the ball on crime. Official lefty party lines on crime, of tolerating criminals, doesn’t resonate with ordinary people.
Gun control is a waste of time and money and isn’t tackling the real issue as nearly all gun crime isn’t committed by legal gun owners.
The right has created a wedge issue, and exploited it with Twitter trolls and paid shills. We’d be better off doing what Australia did, and ban almost everything.
More housing needs to be made (note that both major parties seem to agree on this).
The right sees it as building more housing, and think it is a simple fix. A small proportion of progressive voices see it as a complex issue of finance and trying to remove corporate ownership of residential stock. The subtle arguments have a hard time being heard.
More infrastructure needs to be built to capitalize on our oil and natural resources exports.
I’ve given up mostly, the planet will burn. Our species is too stupid, eventually we’ll go extinct. Climate will degrade, wars will escalate, and sooner or latter someone will push The Button.
I completely agree with everything you’ve said.
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Conservatives made significant inroads, lots of people in Ontario and Atlantic Canada that heard and liked the anti-woke messaging. I don’t know how to bring these people around, and am frightened that there are so many of them. Over 40% of the popular vote.
Certainly doesn’t bode well. Carney is going to actually have to make a real impact in the next 4 years or the next election will be a landslide for the conservatives. This is borrowed time for the liberals.
4 years might as well be a lifetime in politics.
NDP don’t want an election right now, they don’t have a leader.PP has no seat, there will be no by-election anytime soon. What happens to the conservatives in the next few weeks, infighting? Trump is a total wildcard, the next month sometime will have to be done with tariffs as basic goods start to dwindle. Not to mention all the wars going on in the world, or have a chance of breaking out (India/Pakistan).
Mark Carnage
An absolute Carnageddon for PP
NDP and Conservative leaders lost their own ridings.
NDP leader already announced he’s stepping down and I feel like the conservative has to as well.
