Sigh. Welcome to the party.
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The problem is that the ‘Not Perfect’ party refuses to actually fight or advocate for universal, popular policies. Instead, the "Not Perfect’ party sits on their hands, bullies their base, and waits for everything to collapse so that they are the default option.
So vote in the “Not Perfect” parties primaries to get better candidates nominated, and at the same time work on getting a ballot initiative for ranked choice voting.
They railroaded Clinton into being the 2016 candidate and appointed Harris as the 2024 one. The DNC leadership doesn’t care what their constituents actually want.
Uncoincidentally, that’s why said leadership needs to be replaced.
And said leadership is not EVER going to cede their power, which is one of the core issues in play.
Right, and we get around it by showing up in numbers to vote. But of course people need to actually step up and run for the nominations, too. I’m eager to see how David Hogg’s funding efforts pan out.
They railroaded Clinton into being the 2016 candidate and appointed Harris as the 2024 one.
Clinton won the popular vote in the 2016 primaries. Nonratfuckety was needed. No superdelegates needed to cast a single vote at the convention because she had enough pledged elected delegates. The party even changed the rules starting in 2018 so that superdelegates don’t even get a vote in the convention unless the pledged delegates can’t elect a nominee in the first round of voting.
The DNC leadership doesn’t care what their constituents actually want.
Which is why we have to actually show up and out-vote them instead of losing elections to “teach them a lesson” which hurts us more than it does them.
Uncoincidentally, that’s why said leadership needs to be replaced.
Yes indeed. And the DNC leadership elections after the last election have finally started that shift towards more progressive leadership (notice that the leaders are voted into office, that and people had to participate in that vote, it’s kind of a theme here 😋).
How’s that been working out over the last 40+ years?
It hasn’t because most people haven’t been voting in primaries, which is why they’re saying to do it. It’s almost always old people voting in primaries and they choose their familiar name old person candidate and then we’re stuck with them.
The other half of it that everyone ignores is there actually has to be a better candidate campaigning for the nomination. Bernie lost the popular vote in the primaries, but inspired more progressives to campaign, and we got the squad out of it. People need to run, and people need to vote, or you get the status quo with donor-preferred candidates.
Show me when a primary candidate won the popular vote and then wasn’t nominated.
Just because you don’t like the outcome, doesn’t mean the process wasn’t followed.
Allegation: the DNC exhibited overt favoritism in the primary process to ensure Hillary won the primary.
Your response: but Hillary won the primary, therefore she won the primary!
No one is disputing that she won the primary. The problem was the DNC put their thumb on the scale through the entire process. Hillary was the presumptive nominee from the beginning. People voting for Bernie on day one had to vote against headlines that said, “Hillary is already 1/3 of the way to getting the nomination!” The DNC also collaborated very closely with the Hillary campaign, and they did not do so with Bernie’s campaign. They even went so far as feeding her debate questions ahead of time.
Yes, obviously Hillary actually won the primary even without the superdelegates. Any brain-dead moron can consult wikipedia and see that. There’s no need to parrot the obvious. But you’re completely missing the core of the issue - that Hillary only won the majority of non-superdelegates and only won the primary popular vote because the DNC threw the weight of the entire party behind her nomination at the exclusion of all other candidates.
Is the “Not Perfect” party even going to hold a primary this time or does Harris get it by default like Biden last year?
We had primaries and nobody serious wanted to run against the incumbent president. Biden won the primary. Then he dropped out due and the delegates pledged to Biden (and elected by the primary voters) elected Harris as the nominee in the convention. Maybe you can show me when in the history of the USA a running incumbent president lost the primary, or even when any serious challenger campaigned against them in the primary.
So we didn’t have a primary because Biden was the presumptive nominee… who was later removed long after it was obvious he had no chance.
Sounds very Democratic.
So we didn’t have a primary because Biden was the presumptive nominee
The hyperbole does you no favors here. Every state held a primary. Two did not have the presidential race on their ballots (I think Florida and Delaware). In Texas there we 9 presidential candidates on the Democratic primary ballot. I know you really really really want that to be the same as not having a primary, but it isn’t (except for the one race in those two states). Blame the fact that most of them were a joke on the better candidates who chose not to run.
The “not perfect” party got us gay marriage, the affordable care act, and the repeal of don’t ask don’t tell. The response was Trump’s first term.
Agreed. The Looters’ Party is the reasonable choice. The best part with those guys is that you get to keep whatever you get your hands on.
The reason mainstream media switched to “both sides” after four years of defending Biden and pretending he was perfect is instead of Biden getting to place another corpo friendly DNC chair, the DNC got to vote and picked the most progressive chair in over 50 years.
Is Ken Martin perfect?
Nope, but billionaire owned media turning against the party almost on the day he was elected should be enough to tell us it was a victory.
Now is when progressives need to rally around the DNC, the neoliberals will vote Republican like they did in 08, but there’s so few neoliberal voters it won’t matter now either.
I don’t really want neoliberals in my coalition anyways, I don’t like associating with people who smugly talk over other people to push shit ideas that don’t work while innocent USians are suffering and dying everyday. I also don’t like associating with people that bring nothing to the table but a liability to the legitimacy of the political coalitions they assume they are the heart and soul of.
spits on the ground heck no I am never rallying around the DNC again and neither are other younger people, corporate centrists can come begging to our feet for our vote and we will give it to them if they stop wasting our time with empty feckless promises.
It is up to the DNC to prove to the people holding the gas cans that it is reformable, and so far their argument still sucks.
Try harder lights match while whistling jeopardy theme.
Still waiting for proof centrists learned anything from this election other than that they are ok with genocide and that we must always accept the framing of conservative arguments and move right (which is the only thing US centrist neoliberals seem to be capable of concluding).
mean when Democrats were falsely advertising hope and change but never followed through as usual and Obama just went to basketball games, but the workers never got living wages and nothing else happened from all the empty promises
just enough crumbs were given out to brainwash the citizens into thinking Democrats were on their side and to hold up the two-party sham even longer with the basis being Republicans are evil
both parties are just elite puppets putting on a grand theatrical performance
the problem here is that nobody takes the time to think about how civics actually work in this country. the most important, qualitative elections people can participate in are municipal and state ones, but none of y’all ever turn up. guess who has been voting in municipal and state elections since the 80s? if you already guessed in your head, you’re probably already correct.
if you want living wages in your area, start by electing a mayor or city council that will actually do it. if you want police accountability, make your city or town do it. hate the entire political system that works in your area? you actually have the power to change that! they’re basically the last civil workers who actually have to be somewhat pragmatic and not operate entirely on polemic lines. nobody cares if you’re republican or democratic if the sewers aren’t running.
it’s not that hippy-dippy — the phrase “think globally, act locally” is basically the play from here until forever.
the problem here is that nobody takes the time to think about how civics actually work in this country.
This rapper does an amazing job of breaking down why people don’t vote, what elections they need to be voting in, and why so many people misrepresent our political system.
mean when Democrats were falsely advertising hope and change but never followed through as usual and Obama just went to basketball games, but the workers never got living wages and nothing else happened from all the empty promises
Was that 50 years ago?
Did Obama nominate a progressive DNC chair or did he ignore the DNC because the neoliberals running it actively worked against him, which allowed the neoliberals to remain in control of the DNC?
Because buddy…
It seems like you’re not informed about the topic.
Quick edit:
To clarify I mean the first time the DNC pushed a more conservative candidate than Dem voters wanted in an attempt to steal Republican voters: Jimmy Carter.
The fact that he’s remembered as the last “true left” president shows how much the party has fallen. At the time the party was fractured because Jimmy wasn’t progressive enough for the Dem voting base. And we’ve only moved right since the, until the 2025 DNC chair election.
Battles have been fought and the war was won, neoliberals do t run the DNC anymore
The solution is to have no parties. Everyone just runs for office on their own
The first past the post system will still spoil the vote with more than two candidates. The solution is ranked choice voting.
That only works if truly nobody is “backed” by a larger organization. Taking away party affiliation just makes it harder to identify where a candidates loyalties lie.
