Calling someone a “pastor” is a Protestant thing. You wouldn’t hear a Catholic call The Pope a pastor.
Vance, like a lot of tradcaths, is LARPing because the rituals look cool. Sorta like how Andrew Tate is a “Muslim” because he thinks it’s all about controlling women, but at the same time unabashedly drinks in public.
Like not all Catholics are obsessed with the Pope, but like I have merch of the man from my Vatican visit. I have some conservative Catholic family critical of the Pope’s more progressive views, but they would never talk like this.
Being from Europe some things may differ, but in all of my contact with catholics, including my own upbringing, you’d never adress any of the clergy as a pastor.
You might talk about them as pastor/shepherd, but again, that’s a weird thing to do as a practicing catholic, and will be rare even in academic discourse. Even catholics critical of the Pope are drilled in adressing him as The Pope, Il Papa (or similar), or very casually as the Holy Father.
Some edgy bishops might speak about the the papacy as shepherding the wayward, but that’s far out from accepted dogma, and entirely inappropriate in this situation.
Calling the Pope a pastor is very much an outsider perspective thing or actively disrespectful. Either way, it doesn’t make Vance look good.
The first headline: “Global pastor: In word and deed, pope preached mercy, outreach”
Not “a pastor.” Emphasizing global.
That second article, the journalist is the one using the term “pastor.” It does not appear in quotes.
Third one is closest to your point, but again the wording is very difference from Vance.
“You know, I think for Francis, the image of the good Shepherd was very, very important … to seek out the lost sheep. So I think he’s going to be remembered as a pastor.”
It’s kinda strange how eager some of y’all are to defend Vance from the allegation of speaking in a weird and off putting way.
Edit: Let’s try phone a friend (lapsed Catholic, invited me to services a few times for the sit kneel stand routine. The open air service I attended at the Vatican itself felt more Christlike to me, tbh)
These people who have obviously never been Catholic are really down on the whole “Catholics use Father and Pastor interchangeably” thing lol. This is crazy. A Catholic wouldn’t address their priest as “Pastor” holy shit.
Yeah exactly. Like, I’m not Christian anymore so I’m not saying it’s bad to not to go church, but like, are all the people arguing about this Christmas Catholics or something??? I’ve never heard of a Catholic who goes to weekly mass calling their priest “Pastor” lol
Pastor as a job title is specific to some denominations but the metaphor of a pastor tending his flock is common in all denominations. The roots of all Abrahamic faiths are the Jewish peoples who were largely herders in ancient times.
Calling someone a “pastor” is a Protestant thing. You wouldn’t hear a Catholic call The Pope a pastor.
Vance, like a lot of tradcaths, is LARPing because the rituals look cool. Sorta like how Andrew Tate is a “Muslim” because he thinks it’s all about controlling women, but at the same time unabashedly drinks in public.
Like not all Catholics are obsessed with the Pope, but like I have merch of the man from my Vatican visit. I have some conservative Catholic family critical of the Pope’s more progressive views, but they would never talk like this.
Being from Europe some things may differ, but in all of my contact with catholics, including my own upbringing, you’d never adress any of the clergy as a pastor.
You might talk about them as pastor/shepherd, but again, that’s a weird thing to do as a practicing catholic, and will be rare even in academic discourse. Even catholics critical of the Pope are drilled in adressing him as The Pope, Il Papa (or similar), or very casually as the Holy Father.
Some edgy bishops might speak about the the papacy as shepherding the wayward, but that’s far out from accepted dogma, and entirely inappropriate in this situation.
Calling the Pope a pastor is very much an outsider perspective thing or actively disrespectful. Either way, it doesn’t make Vance look good.
Thanks!
Thanks for nothing. There are endless catholic bishops using the term pastor. See my other posts.
Oh that’s funny. Thanks for the correction, then!
JFC who’s upvoting this nonsense? Are bishops catholic enough for you?
The first headline: “Global pastor: In word and deed, pope preached mercy, outreach”
Not “a pastor.” Emphasizing global.
That second article, the journalist is the one using the term “pastor.” It does not appear in quotes.
Third one is closest to your point, but again the wording is very difference from Vance.
It’s kinda strange how eager some of y’all are to defend Vance from the allegation of speaking in a weird and off putting way.
Edit: Let’s try phone a friend (lapsed Catholic, invited me to services a few times for the sit kneel stand routine. The open air service I attended at the Vatican itself felt more Christlike to me, tbh)
These people who have obviously never been Catholic are really down on the whole “Catholics use Father and Pastor interchangeably” thing lol. This is crazy. A Catholic wouldn’t address their priest as “Pastor” holy shit.
No, it’s almost always “Father.”
Right that’s what I’m saying, I grew up Catholic and nobody ever said “Pastor X” because that’s a protestant thing
Yeah I was agreeing and did a bad job of projecting that.
Oh I gotcha, sorry for the misread!
I thought I was taking crazy pills. I grew up Catholic and the sentence gave me such a weird creeped-out feeling.
This is cultural uncanny valley.
Yeah exactly. Like, I’m not Christian anymore so I’m not saying it’s bad to not to go church, but like, are all the people arguing about this Christmas Catholics or something??? I’ve never heard of a Catholic who goes to weekly mass calling their priest “Pastor” lol
Average Internet forum experience—saying something true but downvoted because it was said opposition to a popular view
Pastor as a job title is specific to some denominations but the metaphor of a pastor tending his flock is common in all denominations. The roots of all Abrahamic faiths are the Jewish peoples who were largely herders in ancient times.