Sweden’s prime minister on Thursday said that he’s summoned the head of the military to discuss how the armed forces can help police deal with an unprecedented crime wave that has shocked the country with almost daily shootings and bombings.

Getting the military involved in crime-fighting would be a highly unusual step for Sweden, underscoring the severity of the gang violence that has claimed a dozen lives across the country this month, including teenagers and innocent bystanders.

Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson said that he would meet with the armed forces’ supreme commander and the national police commissioner on Friday to explore “how the armed forces can help police in their work against the criminal gangs.”

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    These fascist fucks love to pretend that gang violence and poverty just appear out of nowhere, and their immediate recourse is always escalation of very same state violence that generated the unrest.

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      It was the Social Democrats (Swedens’ biggest socialist party) who suggested the use of the military.

      But of course, you have no goddamn clue as to what the hell you’re talking about and your ignorance shows.

      And anyone up voting these sentiments: the issue is more complex, and please read up on the issue and build a complete picture.

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        “Socialists” can be fascists too, if they’re using government violence to quell dissent caused by government failure.

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            “Socialists” can be fascists too, if they’re using government violence to quell dissent caused by government failure.

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              Are you suggesting that Socialdemokraterna is a fascists organization!?

              Lmao, get out if here just stfu.

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                Are they using violence to quell dissent generated from their failure to adequately represent their population? Your answer is the same as mine, if you’re honest.

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                  No. So what in the goddamn hell are you talking about?

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                    Sweden’s prime minister on Thursday said that he’s summoned the head of the military to discuss how the armed forces can help police deal with an unprecedented crime wave that has shocked the country with almost daily shootings and bombings.

                    Getting the military involved in crime-fighting would be a highly unusual step for Sweden, underscoring the severity of the gang violence that has claimed a dozen lives across the country this month, including teenagers and innocent bystanders.

                    Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson said that he would meet with the armed forces’ supreme commander and the national police commissioner on Friday to explore “how the armed forces can help police in their work against the criminal gangs.”

                    I’m talking about this, idiot.

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        I mean the “venstre” party in Denmark are also teetering close to far right idealisms as well? The vitriol in your comment seems wildly misplaced for something that could have been otherwise politely explained.

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      What is causing this rise in Sweden? I’m not really up to speed on Swedish news or politics.

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        The most recent increase is from one of the largest gangs splintering. Different groupings and gangs are attacking each other and each others families, trying to gain power. Is what the news seems to say.

        On the larger scale, if you look to scientists, criminologists, and not politicians, there are a lot of contributing factors. Hardest anti-drugs laws in Europe, more or less, failing school systems, failing integration, gentrification. All contribute to create a high risk high reward enviornment that seem worth it to a lot of people compared to a more ordinary life.

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          I think your comment has been the most helpful so far. I had no clue that Sweden had strict drug laws. Thanks for the reply!

          I wonder why the headlines seem to focus on Sweden right now when the other countries of western Europe seem to have similar issues right now.

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          Highest anti-drug laws? In Sweden??

          The entire shtick of this story is that Sweden is one of the most lenient when it comes to policing, and one of the most generous when it comes to social safety net, and it still won’t stop crime from escalating year over year

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          Well it’s not just that they are shooting at each other. They often force kids below the age of 15 to do the killing and they aren’t any sniper elite so to say. What I’m trying to say is that people outside of the gang world also die since the executioner some times shoots up the wrong door, or throws a grenade too close to another house so that their neighbor dies.

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        Sweden has accepted a LOT of refugees over the last eight years. Now 20% of the entire country is foreign born. Much higher when you include second and third generation migrants.

        Unfortunately, migrants in Sweden are far over-represented in crime. Especially violent crime: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338563093_Migrants_…

        All of the bombings, for example, are gang related, and gang members in Sweden have a disproportionately foreign background.

        Almost all gang members in Sweden are either 1st- or 2nd-generation migrants: https://www.gulf-insider.com/almost-all-gang-members-in-sweden-are-either-1st-or-2nd-generation-migrants/amp/

        What’s clear from the data is that not all refugees commit crime at the same rate. Refugees from Vietnam, for example, committed very low crime. Ditto for Ukrainian refugees. Syrian and Somali refugees, on the other hand, have sky high crime. Sweden has accepted a lot of refugees from these regions, among others.

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            I didn’t call them foreign. I explicitly excluded that group from the first statement, and added the qualifier so that readers would understand the distinction. Which you appear to have.

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        Right now it’s an internal gang conflict that has escalated to killing relatives, and at least one mom. It’s become brutal enough to happen in the open streets in some cases, and there’s been a few unrelated innocents caught in the cross fire as well. The split seems to partly be over the use of younger and younger kids for the deeds, and the escalating brutality.

        The gang in question is the Foxtrot Network led by Rawa Majid, who is funnily enough hiding in Turkey and has apparently had help by a high up turkey police official.

        That’s the very quick version, but there should be quite a bit of info if you google “Rawa Majid Foxtrot”.

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        Curious too. Scandinavian countries have such a reputation for being modern and progressed nations with a perfectly working welfare state and high internal stability and ideally dutiful citizens.

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          Not really a decent picture anymore. Some handpicked examples: Schools are now the most privatized in the world, in a charter-system where public money gets poured into private companies – one of which the heads of have been giving money to an anti-semitic far-right news paper. This has gentrified schools and ruined the public ones, and inflated the grades. The current government consists of/is supported by a party (~20% of votes) that was formed by literal nazis, not neo-nazis, but literal SS volunteering nazis, the current head of the party joined them just after the peak of the neo-nazi era, in which they, among other things celebrated a racist serial killer. Him and the closest circle of party elites, to this day, party with well a recognized neo-nazi band, calls any association to LGBTQ and pride “pedophilia”, and believes in the same conspiracy that the mass-murderer Breivik did: that there is a conspiracy of “multiculturalists” that have the explicit goal to exterminate the swedish nation and people. Their politics and hate gets next to zero push back from the other governing parties, and a lot of their policies are now being made law or are being prepared to become laws.

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            All of this is correct. I’d just like to add that, additionally, over the last couple of decades we have also systematically and agressively cut most taxes that mostly hit the very wealthy. Yes, (for now) we still have a somewhat functional wellfare system, but the wealth inequality is crazy high, which causes a lot of social stress and conflict.

            For some quick examples:

            • We have a uniquely regressive tax on real estate. There is a value cap over which no more tax is added, and that cap is CRAZY low, meaning someone with a mansion is not taxed significantly more than someone with a small house.
            • We have insanely low taxes on capital gains, which are a bit complicated to explain but essentially means that on a good year you might pay the equivalent of low single digit percent tax on the value increase.

            All of this while the tax on actual work is very high, making it harder for those not already born with capital to aquire it.

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          I believe the majority of adult Swedes are like that, but the welfare system is not getting a decent budget, the healthcare system is overworked (especially in niche areas like child psychiatry). The current government has abandoned all of these important aspects and instead focused on wasting people’s taxes, creating confusing and unsatisfactory budgets, ruining the climate goal for 2030 (which Sweden was going to meet) and focusing solely on linking immigration to crime (as the sole cause) and mistreating immigrabts even though they make up 40% of the medical workforce.

      • ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ@lemm.ee
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        the swedes.

        just one example: out of all european countries sweden is the least integrative with the lowest number of migrants finding a job within 15 years of living in sweden. nationalisms way got paved by the laziness of the swede who rather throws money at a problem than brains.