• mrnotoriousman@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    6
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    You just want unconditional surrender from Russia, no negotiations and no concessions and no conditions

    Your phrasing here is extremely telling. Russia surrendering??? They are the aggressor and they had no right to invade and genocide. You want an unconditional SURRENDER from Ukraine. I want Russia to stop INVADING and GO HOME.

    • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      7
      ·
      1 year ago

      Okay so you’re just lying now. I don’t want Ukraine to surrender, I want a peace deal. That means both sides negotiate to find a compromise. Russia’s invasion was unjustified and strategically pretty stupid, but that doesn’t mean we just wage an eternal forever war until Russia collapses into civil war or everyone in Ukraine is dead.

      Is all peace just surrender to you?

      • Bridger@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        no, we kick Russia’s ass until they leave Ukraine. if that means putin loses face and gets deposed, well that’s an internal Russian matter

        • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          6
          ·
          1 year ago

          The goal isn’t to make Russia leave Ukraine, it’s to keep them embroiled in conflict as long as possible to weaken Russia. That’s why the amount of aid will never actually be enough for Ukraine to win; just enough to never lose.