When you lose an election this badly, people are clearly not buying you’re selling.
But damn I did not expect so many people to sit out against the guy who did the coup and amongst all the other shit. If there is any light ahead, I think it’s that this L forces the Democratic Party to lean back left with their campaign promises, and whatever power they have left to affect policy.
If they go far left they’ll lose all backing and funding, making them completely useless. It’s just the way the system is built. I’m Canadian but I see you guys had a choice to pick a bad but fixable administration, and instead just let the fascist through. I mean you can chide the Democrats all you want for the result, but it was the left who sat out and it’s those same people who are gonna suffer
yall really think democrats learn from this shit? you born yesterday?
They are fucking incapable of learning this.
Bernie polled great against Trump but they snubbed him for Hillary and we lost because of it.
The only reason Biden won was because he wasn’t Trump and we were tired of him at that point.
Kamala had a chance to swing a little more left but continued to try to court moderate conservatives and the suburbs instead.
They just can’t get it through their heads that: Trump and maga are winning as a reaction of “fuck the system”. This mostly stems from corporations and the filthy rich not being taxed enough and us not spending enough on social programs. That energy could have been captured and utilized by running a leftist.
But instead we get milquetoast business as usual bullshit
I think it’s that this L forces the Democratic Party to lean back left with their campaign promises, and whatever power they have left to affect policy.
Yeah, that’s what everyone thought after 2016 as well.
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When are you expecting an election to happen where you can vote for this party?
Get started
If there is any light ahead, I think it’s that this L forces the Democratic Party to lean back left with their campaign promises, and whatever power they have left to affect policy.
Ah yes the free Palestine crowd…lol wait until they see what Israel will do with no US restraint demands.
Well, what’s important is that Harris never listened to people who care about Palestinians. Surely, we will all be better off that the Harris campaign decided to hew closely to Biden’s policies, court Republicans for her cabinet and chase suburban Trump voters. Clearly, this is entirely the fault of individual voters, and we all agree that the campaign, corporate media organizations and monied interests bear no responsibility for this whatsoever.
As a Michigander, a special fuck you to all the dipshits who voted independent
Like Dearborn? Where Arab Americans had been sounding alarm bells for months about how democrats were losing them? How they were upset about their brothers and sisters being blown the fuck up in Palestine and Lebanon? How leftists were vehemently warning for months that Kamala’s callous take on the middle east “Im speaking now 🤫”, could cost her the election?
Your comment is just thinly-veiled racism. Next time, just say you blame american fascism on american Muslims.
And now that you are reaping, you’re lashing out. In textbook liberal fashion, you’re scapegoating minorities as fascism starts to come knocking.
If you can honestly look at the complete ineptitude of the democrat establishment and Kamala’s race, and still blame minorities, then I feel like I know which side you’re going to take when shit really starts getting volatile here.
None of that changes the reality that they did not vote for harm reduction and now more harm will come to the people they purport to protect (and likely themselves, now that evangelical christians are in power). This is textbook shooting off your nose to spite your face. There is no rule saying you need to pass a moral purity test to earn a vote, that’s a dumb construct that is hampering progress. You can vote for harm reduction, it’s ok. The conservatives keep winning and moving further right. The democrats could win and move further left if their cranky coalition would accept not getting everything they want for once.
Israel will steam roll the rest of Gaza and West Bank.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy is fucked.
Indeed, and NATO better accelerate their defense preparations.
If Biden had balls he’d give Ukraine some of our nukes before they become another weapon in the fascist arsenals.
That genocide is gonna stop any day now
Didn’t you hear? All Palestinians got a personal check for $1 million straight from trump himself.
And I’d like to wish every 3rd party voter a very hemorrhagic stroke
Third party voters did not change the outcome of this election. Trump voters and nonvoters is what got us here today.
It’s more illustrative of how liberals and progressive consistently suck at messaging and voter outreach because they are always hedging, equivocating or focused on negativity.
No wonder voters don’t engage with that messaging when it’s pretty apparent that even the most enthusiastic progressive barely gets out of bed to advocate for anything other than the new outrage of the day. And I’m not just pointing fingers here - I am definitely guilty of this myself.
The kicker? Harris was focused on positivity at first! She switched back to doom and gloom later on.
They did what they could.
The intent was the problem. They knew what they were doing.
Now count the non-voters. Let’s see how that adds up.
Democracy is when you wish less than 1% of voters to die as opposed to Trump who will kill everyone.
Not less than 1%. Everyone who didn’t vote to stop the fascist.
Okay so tell them to die from a stroke instead of the people who had no impact on anything besides memes.
How do you feel about the people who DID vote for trump
Why? They didn’t change anything.
Utterly bizarre. I expected Trump might squeak out an electoral win, but the popular vote as well? Thanks everyone who stayed the fuck home. You sat by as fascism was ushered in to the US.
All votes are not counted yet. There’s still a chance he won’t get the popular vote. A tiny chance, but still a chance…
There’s a bigger likelyhood Harris wins the electoral college than the popular vote, but both are pretty unlikely.
Same. I’m not sure if I’m more… “Ok” with this? We should still abolish the electoral college, but we were shafted by the American people this time (and the propaganda machine making things worse). It’s the first time since I turned 18 that the GOP actually won the popular vote… Sigh
Abolishing the electoral college would require a constitutional amendment, and isn’t even necessary. Passing the National Popular Vote law in a few more states will guarantee that the electoral college always follows the national popular vote. This law has already been passed by 17 states + DC, with a total of 209 electoral votes - already 3/4 of the way there, only 61 more votes needed. Go to the site to see if it already passed in your state.
I’m on board for this. But with current SCOTUS, I don’t think this would hold up.
And if it did hold up, I think they would also determine that state governments could supercede the will of the people in that particular state in ANY situation which is also scary.
Bold of you to expect there will be another election.
Now project 25 will swing into action. Then queue all those impacted who voted for the arsewipe to gasp “but he’s hurting the wrong people!”
I heard about that, I just don’t know who else can join the coalition. It might be easier to do it as an amendment if there a massive shift in power over the next decade (and I shudder to think what that’d be that was so upsetting or so lethal that the entire landscape changes to Dems having a super majority).
The NPV only needs states with 61 more electoral votes. In 7 states totaling 74 votes it has already passed half their legislatures (state house or senate but not both). So it’s actually a lot closer than starting from scratch with a constitutional amendment, which would need approval from 3/4 of all states.
Any idea which states might fit the bill?
I don’t remember offhand but if you are interested the site I linked lists the 17 states where it has passed, and the 7 states where it has passed half of their legislature.
Big ups to those people who “voted against genocide”.
Honestly, it doesn’t matter, even if every single 3rd party voter went for Harris, Trump still wins
Now count those that didn’t vote at all.
But how else will they blame anyone but themselves?
The meme is literally how else.
Yeah I heard halo polish is on sale at Walmart, they should check it out.
Taking the data from here and throwing it in a spreadsheet, Trump got more votes than everyone else combined, including the Libertarian party, RFK Jr, and Write-ins.
Looking at that chart, she would have won in Wisconsin and gotten their ten electoral votes.
What does it look like for the rest of the states?
Across the country, it was Trump: 71,825,780 Everyone else: 69,303,000
It says at the top of the page it was last updated a day ago, but I kind of doubt the numbers will change too dramatically.
The other person was making the point that you can’t do it by total popular vote, you have to do it by state and then look at their electoral college votes.
But the electoral college is dumb and pointless. This is the first time a Republican won the popular vote since 2004, or since 1988 if you don’t want to count an incumbent victory. That alone should tell you plenty about the state of the country right now.
It’s dumb and pointless, but it’s literally the way a president is elected today. We have had many instances of people being elected president who didn’t win the popular vote. So if you want to try to figure out if third party candidates caused Trump to get elected, you have to look at it state by state.
But the electoral college is dumb and pointless
And its also how a president is elected in the United States, or 2016 would have gone a bit differently.
Your comment is dumb and pointless, yet here it is.
See how far your logic goes?
67m for Harris to 72m (rounded up) on the BBC; it was really not close eh.
Biden got 81.2 million.
How the fuck are people not voting. After all that.
Amnesia.
But how do you count “didn’t vote”? And what about “voted on other parts but not for President because genocide or whatever”? That second group might be countable, but the first is like proving a negative
But how do you count “didn’t vote”?
I didn’t, that’s voter turnout and probably won’t be fully available till all the votes are counted. If you’re impatient though, here’s the washington post comparing 2024 voter turnout to 2020.
You probably look at how many citizens there are, and look at how many voted. Then do some magic math.
Special shout-out to the folks that voted third party because “my state will be blue”
I thought my state would go blue. Went out to vote anyway and voted blue. Brought my spouse out to vote as well. Our state did not go blue. Country is fucked
What if my state is California?
Who did you vote for?
No state had enough third party votes to flip red to blue had they all gone blue, so can we give this a rest?
The DNC failed, plain and simple.
No state had enough third party votes to flip red to blue had they all gone blue, so can we give this a rest?
I actually think people who think any part of politics is “plain and simple” are the real problem.
“The real problem” sounds pretty plain and simple that.
Seriously though what are you saying? What’s the point of that statement?
They failed, that’s plain and simple. The cause behind that? Probably more complicated.
Yeah, and since it sounds pretty much that way, it definitely is that way and you win the internet argument, right?
I think the main problem in discussing most issues is that people oversimply them. Memes and meme-level thinking don’t get to the essence of an issue, they just pretend to by expressing a single point of view, reinforcing the false belief that the whole issue is plain and simple, and excusing people for not bothering to exert their brains much before the scroll to the next item in their feed.
Wisconsin and Michigan.
And Pennsylvania and Georgia. The so-called swing states really took a wild swing this time.
Got me there, though if you look and tally only the left candidates who might’ve actually gone for Harris otherwise it’s still not true.
And in any case, she still loses even if she got these states.
But they wanna blame someone who doesn’t impact anything! Why blame a bad campaign when you can blame 0.03% of the voters!
folks that voted third party because “my state will be blue”
Admittedly not all the votes are in, but…
- Pennsylvania - Trump up by 130k votes, Jill Stein got 33k votes
- Michigan - Trump up by 84k votes, Jill Stein got 45k votes
- Wisconsin - Trump up by 28k votes, Jill Stein got 12k votes
Are all Jill Stein votes from protest voters? Nah, there are diehard Green supporters out there.
Are there other 3rd party candidates? Of course, but how many RFK (more votes than Stein in WI) voters could she have converted? Almost none.
This was her blue wall road to victory, show me the electoral path to victory ruined by third party voters who would have otherwise voted Democrat.
This election was lost by people not showing up to vote. Trump is sitting at almost 72M votes right now compared to 74M in 2020. Harris is only at 67M now, compared to Biden’s 81M in 2020. While there are still votes to count, there aren’t 15M votes left to count.
Whether it was lack of interest, protest, or whatever reason, 10% of voters stayed home this year.
“Admittedly not all the votes are in, but…” you’ll pretend to make a point with vote counts anyway.
I am so fucking sick of all this shit.
- Pennsylvania - 98.3% Reporting
- Michigan - 98.7% Reporting
- Wisconsin - 99% Reporting
These states have been called for Trump. The remaining outstanding vote will not impact this result. The remaining vote is not going to come in all for Jill Stein or other third party candidates. The point that protest votes for third party candidates did not rob Harris of an electoral college victory will stand once 100% of the vote is in.
Okay, now you’ve supplied enough information to validate what you’re saying. Thanks.
I blame the Stein voters exactly as much as I blame the people staying at home. And neither as much as the people who voted for Trump.
My election registration got canceled three times this year. The last two times it was because of a “duplicate”, and they were counting my canceled registrations as duplicates. I have no idea if my ballot got counted, or if it was discarded.
I vote blue in one of those red states…
Similar here actually. I usually try to vote by mail, but by the time I finally got registeration and residency handled after 2 online registrations and two visits to the elections office, early voting was over, so I had to go to the polls on election day
“If liberals are so fucking smart why do they lose so goddamn always?”
- Will McAvoy “The Newsroom”
I don’t think it’s fair to blame voters when it’s the politician’s job during s campaign to convince people they’re worth voting for.
Adopting unpopular centrist policies and aligning more and more with centrist Biden’s policies as the campaign went on is just going to fill voters with apathy.
The Democrats, once again, didn’t give us a candidate to vote for, only one to vote against. And I think the American people are sick of that carrot-stick routine, the Dems need to actually adopt popular policies.
And the establishment Dems are going to fight that tooth and nail.
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Why not a picture of Kamala that says… “Sorry my neocon genocide platform didn’t work.”
The one time you had the chance to actually stop fascism, you decided to not do it.
And now you blame those that tried to?
I really hope you’re happy with Trump. Because you helped elect him.
This is the third election in a row that Trump ran for president. Are you saying he wasn’t fascist before?
Yeah, bcz Trump isn’t going to do the exact same thing… not an excuse. I’d rather have someone in office i can criticize and disagree with than this sack of shit who’s, in all likelihood, eventually plan will include death camps for anybody who disagrees with him. People clearly don’t remember how chaotic his first term in office was.
Now tha the election is over and we can see that the Harris attempt of “well, we won’t be worse than we are now” didn’t get people to vote, I think it’s okay to get angry about it. If America manages to survive this, this lesson HAS to be learnt. I’m fucking pissed off at the dems.
I did my part to try to get Harris elected. And I really am going to hate having to deal with smug chuds on the right as well as having liberals trying to justify the shitty platform of the loser.
I’m fucking pissed, disappointed, and sad for the future. We have seen this playbook in country after country. I hope to God I’m wrong, but I’m fairly certain life is about to get a whole lot worse for a lot of people, maybe not right away, but sooner than we think.
As a trans parent of a trans kid, I think we are first in line for day one bullshit. Very scared atm
I can’t say I entirely disagree with you, but the death camps thing is a bit much. In a hypothetical scenario where that is actually accurate, wouldn’t that make people like Thomas Crooks a martyr? Are you really willing to go there?
Have you not looked at the project 2025 plans?
So you think Thomas Crooks was a martyr then and Ryan Routh is a hero?
When did I say anything about those two? You brought it up, not me.
If there will be death camps for opposition, people that tried to stop them would be heros right? Military veterans have been called heros for much less.
This is the democratic process. He won the electoral college and the popular vote. I’m not going to call people heros for trying to assassinate someone for something they haven’t done yet. I’m just making a prediction that I think will come to pass, which I am really hoping is wrong. You are free to say, and think what you want.
The really funny thing is that this person was, in another thread, claiming that fascism was their posts getting “censored.”
Or a picture of Jill Stein saying: Christmas came early I got a bonus from Russia.
Because i can’t see how it’s an actual serious argument when you have a multiply adjudicated criminal who ran an objectively bad campaign. This wasn’t a marginal low-turnout election won by only the terrible structure of the electoral college, this was a large number of people who looked at Trump and agreed.
2012, 2016, and 2024 all have pretty equal share Dem votes, 2020 is the spike in Dem. So it speaks more to apathy than genocide.
Also, with Trump, Gaza is glass. They are so fucked now that the Biden stuff is going to look like a US school shooting where no one cares. I guess the upshot is that we won’t have to worry about Gaza much longer since all the Palestinians will be turned into dust soon.
But everyone knew that. Staying home just meant you wanted the Palestinians dead at a faster rate without tangential guilt. Easy for one to excuse Trump giving the nod for bibi to end everyone if you can say “well I didn’t vote for him.”
There you go. Blame progressives and people that wanted good things. Attack the people that want change, rather than demand Democrats change anything. That’ll certainly get you a victory like it did this time. Is your new plan in 2028 to just attack everyone who isn’t blindly loyal?
Blame progressives and people that wanted good things
Was genocide a matter in 2012 or 2016? 2020? If 2012, 2016 and 2024 are same numbers, I’d think it’s safe to point to similar conditions in mindset.
I don’t blame the sky for being blue, it just is.
rather than demand Democrats change anything
This part doesn’t make any sense. You can’t solve a problem without first identifying the problem. You can’t change anything if you deny the thing that needs to change. Am I missing some core argument of yours?
Is your new plan in 2028 to just attack everyone who isn’t blindly loyal?
I’m not attacking them. Apathy is a thing. Happens. If some coach comes out and doesn’t motivate their team, are we blaming the players for not getting excited enough? Like I don’t understand your perspective here. Do you want Democrats to change or not? Because if sounds like whenever someone addresses the issue you knee-jerk into “I’m BeInG aTtAcKeD!!!”
It needs to be said. That’s all there is to it.
Yes I will blame the ultra progressives who annoy me almost as much as maga. Ya’ll just love to “talk” about change but you just cause more chaos for dems. Hope you enjoy living under MAGA because of your fucking pride.
Is there any evidence to support the claim that ultra-progressives caused Harris to lose?
Quick google search and you can for it yourself.
I’ll just post the very first link
*Perceived* leftward shift. The Democrats aren’t that left wing in the first place. If democrats are going to be perceived as too left wing regardless of reality, they might as well take on some left-wing policies, so they can at least bribe voters with stuff that obviously and immediately makes things better for them like UBI.
If you’re suggesting throw LGBTQ people under the bus, that is just wrong. What would we be fighting for at that point?
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Please shut the fuck up. You got Trump in office.
You’re mad, we get it. Still, if you’re not even wondering if Dems did the wrong thing by forcing Harris as the candidate then we’re not going to win next time either. We had Progressive Obama win in convincing fashion twice, followed by three neoliberals in a row with only one of them being able to eke out a win. That should paint a pretty clear picture of what we need to do to win going forward and it’s not trying the same fucking thing for a fourth time in a row.
I don’t really give two damns about your reasons. You want Trump in office? You got him.
I’m already rich so putting Trump in office only helps people like me. Thanks man, keep it up!
I voted for Harris. Nothing I said implied otherwise. Quit being an arrogant little bitch and think about the future unless you’re content with complaining about losing for the rest of your life.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
You’re arguing with a child. They don’t want to concede. I’ve been doing it all day at work. I voted for Harris and I’ve been bitching about the Dems to my fellow Dems. They don’t get it. They won’t. You might as well argue with chatGPT at this point.
Don’t worry, he’ll live comfortably with himself because all the bad things MAGA will do in the next 4 years and beyond will be the Dems fault. No self reflection or personal accountability will occur.
It’s all talk. These people are just lazy and their heroes are lazy. I pointed out to someone earlier that Jill Stein was not an option on the Indiana ballot even as a write-in because candidates have to be declared as write-ins. And all Jill Stein’s campaign had to do to be a write-in on the Indiana ballot was file a two-page form. That’s it. They threw a big fit and tried to show that it wasn’t true by pointing out a court case where the Greens and Libertarians sued to be on the ballot properly, not just as a write-in.
Just pure laziness. They weren’t willing to put in an effort, they just posted endless rude and harassing things online for months and did nothing to help.
The Gaza problem is as good as solved now.
Unfortunately yeah
Now Israel can definitely get through their final solution.
Don’t worry, we’ll get our own here in the U.S., and people will just watch it happen.
Put up a better candidate then, it’s not like Jill Stein or Cornel West wasn’t in the primary race, where were you to vote for them over Biden? You had options, you just didn’t bother to put up a better candidate.
it’s not like Jill Stein or Cornel West wasn’t in the primary race, where were you to vote for them over Biden?
Jill Stein and Cornell West were not candidates in the 2024 Democratic primary election. They are not Democrats…
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This is a ballot from the General election, not the Democratic primary. It doesn’t even satisfy your requirements! Biden isn’t on it!
You are never going to have a perfect candidate on every issue to represent everyone left of fascism in the US. And this line of “run a better candidate” just means you never actually cared in the first place. Enjoy the fascism from your high horse.
Just gutted by the amount of people that would rather watch the world burn than have to vote for someone that didn’t match their 1 issue 100%, and knowing the alternative was 100% worse on all options.
I voted Harris because I know Palestinians are going to be worse off under Trump. These people screaming about genocide can never give a good alternative candidate. I’m just calling it out.
Not in a lot of states they weren’t
Big thanks to all the Americans who voted in favor of another trump presidency. He couldn’t have won without them.
Trump didn’t get more votes than 2020.
It doesn’t matter. You are ignoring the rot at the core. Even if people turned out and kamala won - it Trump should have broken the Republican party. It should not have been a competition.
trump voters don’t make any* deflections on who they are. the cruelty IS what they vote for. it’s not gonna break the republican party, it’s what they’ve been asking for. Trump just tapped into it. can’t do anything about those fuckers and trying isnt worth it.
I want to look at the people who just sat this round out because it wasn’t exciting and wouldnt really harm them. going back to “this isnt who we are” as a culture and pleading with them is not gonna work.
And despite that he still got millions of votes. Millions of Americans want this. We’re a country of terrible people.
Hey now. We’re only half full of terrible people. Some of us did our best to do the right thing.
Half full of terrible registered voter people.
More than half the country if you count the people who voted for him and the people who didn’t vote.
Don’t forget the spoiler voters.
They didn’t spoil anything.
Even if every single 3rd party voter went to her, she still loses
Hear, hear. Truly terrible people. It’s like half of my countrymen are the people from Always Sunny.
I’m not sure that statement can be verified at this point in time.
It’s close though. Big shift (so far) is 10 million ish fewer for Harris
They haven’t finished counting the votes yet. Unless you are somehow comparing to the exact point in the count 4 years ago, this type of analysis is very premature. Except even that would be a bad idea because covid made things weird in 2020.
It’ll be a little while until we get a good handle on turnout. Until then don’t read too much into it.
Like every year, only about 1/3 of eligible voters did. I will never again listen to a single fucking thing people who didn’t vote or those who threw it away on a 3rd-party candidate have to say.
There are people in fascist authoritarian countries (incoming in 3, 2, 1…) who would love to vote and have it matter. They would even choose to die for it…
You really should listen to them though. They are telling you exactly what they want.
Ignoring them and then being surprised and mad they didn’t show up wasn’t the play. And it will continue not being the play.
What are you actually talking about? See, this is the exact disconnect I’m referencing. “Listen to them”? How can I, when they have voluntarily made themselves voiceless. Say what you will about the maga freaks, at least they believe in something and do the bare minimum by voting.
I completely understand being disillusioned with the election process or even thinking bOtH SiDeS are the same, but… In an election for President, Senators, House and local Representatives, ballot measures, if you’re eligible to vote and don’t, you’re part of the problem. Even if you’re okay with the status quo for yourself, children, friends, family and vulnerable people, you’re still taking a large risk in such a close election as it’s a transitional time and no one knew what the exact results would be…
I know that’s quite a rant. But all I’m really saying is they have no right to complain after sitting on the sidelines when it mattered, I simply won’t listen to a thing they say now…
Wasn’t there a song about this in the 90s?
Pave Plaestine to put up a parking lot?
You’re thinking of Big Yellow Taxi, a Joni Mitchell song from the 70s redone in the 90s by Counting Crows.
Pave paradise but yeah counting crows
Joni Mitchell
(not in the 90s but cmon)
Shhhh don’t give away our age.
Uh, that is . . MC . . . Joné Mitchelle. Uh. Yeah it’s a real banger. It has that . . yeah “the drop”. Aw, so . . . bussin?
Ummm . . drill.
That’s it… my bad.
You’re thinking of the Bibi remix.
I mean, I wish I could feel good about being able to state I voted, but it’s still pretty shitty over here too. /shrug
hey at least SNL has 4 more years of fresh ammo
More tone-deaf Neolib bs will surely work next time!!
