• vinniep@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    20
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    4 months ago

    Unfortunately, that means that you’re taking a vote away from the candidate from the two main parties that is closest to your views, which helps the candidate you oppose the most.

    The two party system is truly problematic, but when it comes to November you have two options currently and voting for a 3rd party has the same impact as not voting at all. Voting for the candidate that you oppose the least lets you put a finger on the scale to at least try to avoid the worst possible outcome relative to your beliefs and values.

    • Skvlp@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      4 months ago

      Considering Trump has indicated he aims to abolish elections there is no upside at all in voting anything but Democrats.

            • nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              4
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              4 months ago

              I’m a straight white married dad and I’m not afraid for me. But I have LGBT relatives who I absolutely fear would be at the very least more discriminated against, not by trump directly, but by the fucking douchbag Christian right who think they’ll be running the place.

              The problem with Cheeto Mussolini is that he’s only worried about his own outcome, and if it doesn’t affect him, he’ll let whichever group he owes the most do whatever they want. And they have a plan this time since last time he wasn’t supposed to win either.

                  • Socialist Mormon Satanist@lemmy.worldOP
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    13
                    ·
                    4 months ago

                    They don’t run things. If you think Trump is an actual Christian and cares about that (besides playing up to them sometimes to get some votes), then I don’t know what else to tell you.

                    Besides, I don’t care if Trump gets elected. I’m not afraid of him.

                    You can care about him and be afraid of him all you want. That’s totally your right. I’m not going that direction though.

                    I respect and support your right to have your own opinions and to vote for whoever you choose. Respect my right to do the same.

        • Skvlp@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          8
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          4 months ago

          He has a very real chance of winning. He has laid groundwork, like the Supreme Court. He has people around him that are working towards their shared goal - it’s by no means a one man operation. And they have prepared. So there’s a real chance this might be the last time you get to vote.

            • pooperNickel@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              4
              ·
              4 months ago

              I actually don’t think the opinion that lying is okay is okay. It actually seems pretty fucking awful. ThAnK yOu!!!1

            • aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              4 months ago

              The statement “He has no chance of winning” is demonstrably false, it is not a matter of opinion. arguably, the statement about third parties is demonstrably false as well

                • pooperNickel@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  4 months ago

                  he won’t win

                  Gee I wonder why you have full confidence that the guy won once, almost won again, and led in the polls for a while, won’t win. It is a fucking mystery. Definitely not that you’re lying. Nope. Thank you!!!

                • aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  4 months ago

                  You really don’t think it’s your personal vote that is the issue here?

                  If you have decided how you will vote, and it is a personal matter only, why have you posted 75+ articles making noise about fringe party candidates’ ballot access?

                  • Socialist Mormon Satanist@lemmy.worldOP
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    10
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    4 months ago

                    Why have you posted 75+ articles making noise about fringe party candidates’ ballot access?

                    The same reason I have posted over 300 articles and comments about socialists. My post history: https://lemmy.world/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=New&view=Posts

                    Because I think the articles are interesting. Nothing I am posting breaks the rules of this sub.

                    Do you think information about third parties should be withheld and censored?

                    Please block me if you are tired of my posts and/or comments. Thank you!

                  • Socialist Mormon Satanist@lemmy.worldOP
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    10
                    ·
                    4 months ago

                    I didn’t write the articles, friend. I didn’t make the news, friend.

                    If you don’t like the information in the news articles, please write to the news orgs and let them know why you think they should withhold the information from the American public.

    • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      the candidate you oppose most

      Look at their comment history; 1600+ comments and nearly 800 posts in 29 days, all supporting a known Russian plant whose entire job is to siphon away leftist votes so Trump can win in swing states. The candidate they oppose most is whichever they get paid enough rubles to oppose, and that isn’t Trump.

    • Socialist Mormon Satanist@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      12
      ·
      4 months ago

      I get what you’re saying, but for me, voting for the “lesser evil” still means supporting a system I fundamentally disagree with. Voting third party is about pushing for real change, not just settling for what’s handed to us. If enough people stop treating third parties like a wasted vote, we might actually break the cycle of just choosing between the “least bad” options.

      • vinniep@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        4 months ago

        I understand your viewpoint, but don’t subscribe. Voting isn’t about supporting a system. The system exists, with or without your participation. Shy of a full blown civil war (which is more likely to make this worse than better), the only way to change the system is to use the system to change itself. The general election in November every 4 years is the last stage of a long process that starts with local parties and elections, weaves through the primary process, and culminates on election day. We need more people that are dissatisfied with the candidates to get more involved, not less, and to go to the early phases where a smaller number of active participants can have an outsized impact on the whole system. To me, one of the many alternative voting systems would be a huge improvement (I have preferences, but honestly just about every one of them is better than the First Past the Post system we use), so advocating for that and supporting local candidates that can push those ideas forward is where my energies go.

        Both parties actively try to give voters from the other party reasons to be dissatisfied and disengaged. Don’t play into it.

        Also

        If enough people stop treating third parties like a wasted vote,

        People might if any of the third parties had a serious candidate and a serious governing platform. Each of them is fundamentally flawed in one way or another, and a few of them are flawed from top to bottom. I get that you’re dissatisfied with the status quo, but which one of these 3rd parties would be able to actually govern and not make a complete and utter mess of everything? Could you imagine if one of the major 3rd parties actually won? It would be an unmitigated disaster.