Nine months after Kenneth Smith’s botched lethal injection, state attorney general has asked for approval to kill him with nitrogen

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    The US is likely more violent due to a combination of corrupt capitalism and lead poisoning.

    We do need to try something else, but that something else is in terms of economics, infrastructure, and healthcare, not punishment.

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      do need to try something else, but that something else is in terms of economics, infrastructure, and healthcare

      I definitely agree there, especially in healthcare. What an awful mess in the US when you look at how successful other countries are with universal healthcare.

      But I will just never accept capital punishment. It’s such an awful way to seek revenge. It’s especially surprising that conservatives love the concept of government power extending to killing its own citizens. And evangelicals who are commanded by Jesus himself to turn the other cheek and seek forgiveness. I know they are backward on many things, but this seems particularly egregious.

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        See, you are assuming it’s about revenge. No, it is just acknowledging that what is done is so awful, you have to take the consequence to the next level.

        And while I get wanting to call out evangelical hypocrisy, the Bible should have nothing to do with policy. Besides, the most famous supposedly anti-death penalty account was likely added years later: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adultery

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          Yes, I definitely assume it’s about revenge, because, to most people, it’s about revenge. You might call is “justice.” I call it revenge. It’s an eye for an eye. It’s old testament, and Jesus specifically pointed it out as wrong many times. Not only in the story you mentioned. Yet, here we are.

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            It is a punishment to fit the crime, as it should be.

            When else does Jesus talk specifically about the death penalty? He was talking about getting hit with turn the other cheek. You can’t turn the other cheek when you are dead.

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              It’s society seeking revenge. The dead don’t care.

              The bible talks about not seeking revenge on so many occasions.

              One example:

              Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

              Romans 12:17‭-‬21 NIV

              Many other examples. Yet, evangelicals are some of the biggest proponents of this type of government-sanctioned revenge.

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                That isn’t talking about a secular death penalty, which has prescribed under the pentateuch such as at Numbers 35:16-20. Also, Romans is traditionally believed to be written by Paul and is not a gospel account.

                But what does it matter? Policy should not be based on the Bible.

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                  You keep going back to the old testament. That’s what Jesus came to rectify.

                  Paul’s letters are definitely seen as the among the most consequential scriptures. But you’re right, it doesn’t matter. Everyone has their own interpretation anyway.

                  Also, many of your fellow believers in the death penalty do believe that policy should be based on the bible. Just calling out the hypocrisy.

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                    Came to fulfill, not rectify. But while you are in Romans, perhaps consider chapter 13. Especially verse 4.