• JimSamtanko@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    This is a clear illustration of how you don’t understand how things work in politics and diplomacy. I suggest you brush up before engaging in discussions where the topic addresses these things.

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      3 months ago

      I understand just fine that the US diplomatic and political stance is that Israel is exempt from all rules.

      That doesn’t erase the genocide or the US complicity in It though, and if you think it does, YOU are the one who needs to reacquaint yourself with reality outside of the Zionist kayfabe before "engaging in discussions where the topic addresses these things“.

      Also, could you possibly be any more arrogantly condescending? Please cut that shit out, lest you appear to suffer from a bad case of the Dunning Kruger effect.

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        3 months ago

        Again, I’m going to ask you to read up on how politics work before engaging any further. I truly believe it is in both of our best interest that you do this.

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          3 months ago

          I know full well how politics work.

          Dissent is not ignorance and you’re not smart for pretending you know better for credulously believing the deceptive establishment narrative.

          Please stop pretending that your “that’s just how it is” attitude is anything but defeatism if not outright bootlicking.

          To accept the toxic status quo as inevitable does not make you more knowledgeable and trying to gatekeep those who disagree makes you look foolish to put it mildly.

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            No, you don’t. And that is evident in every one of your arguments on the subject. And not only do you lack the understanding it takes to discuss the topic, you’re seemingly incapable of doing it without insulting people.

            This is the last time I will request that you further your education on politics- specifically, the trade agreements and relations between the US, and Israel- and why it would be illegal to completely cut them off.

            Please don’t respond before you have educated yourself on these matters.

            I’d suggest you start here.

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              No, you don’t. And that is evident in every one of your arguments on the subject. And not only do you lack the understanding it takes to discuss the topic

              Patently false. Not to mention EXTREMELY condescending.

              you’re seemingly incapable of doing it without insulting people.

              Says the person falsely accusing me of profound ignorance. If that’s not insulting, nothing is.

              This is the last time I will request that you further your education on politics- specifically, the trade agreements and relations between the US, and Israel- and why it would be illegal to completely cut them off.

              And this is possibly the last time I reiterate the fact that being ideologically opposed to the corrupt status quo and the jingoistic laws that protect it does NOT equal ignorance about any of it.

              Please don’t respond before you have educated yourself on these matters

              Please don’t continue being an arrogant blowhard who can’t tell the difference between disagreement and ignorance.

              I know you think (or pretend to think) that trying to silence me would heighten the discourse, but in reality it’s blatant attempted censorship based in authoritarian gaslighting and only serves to narrow the conversation to one where no opinion other than your own is allowed.

              With all due respect, which is none, FUCK that!

              As for the link you added after I replied, that’s straight up apologia from the slavishly pro-establishment and pro-Biden outlet Politico and as such not a good source of information.

              Also, it’s a “what’s happening right now” article that’s several months out of date.

              Do better or stop trying.

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                3 months ago

                Since you have made it very clear that you have no intention to take this discussion or my advice seriously, I’m going to go ahead and end this here as I’ve no intention to exercise futility with disrespectful people who have no intention to even try to understand things they clearly don’t.

                Additionally, I don’t engage in political discussions with people that are easily upset by facts. Especially when they respond with made up bullshit.

                Lastly, the link I added was done before you responded, as it was done for your benefit. I tried educating you. You’re FAR too influenced by your own belief that seeing what you want and not what is there is easier than facing the truth.

                Do better. Be better.

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                  Since you have made it very clear that you have no intention to take this discussion or my advice seriously

                  I take the discussion seriously, but you’re not offering advice. You’re unjustly accusing me of profound ignorance because I don’t agree with your pro-establishment bias.

                  I’ve no intention to exercise futility with disrespectful people

                  Damn, are you going for some kind of hypocrisy merit badge? Because repeatedly and falsely accusing me of knowing nothing about something I in fact know intimately and have for decades and then accusing ME of being disrespectful should earn you that badge for sure!

                  who have no intention to even try to understand things they clearly don’t

                  Again with the unearned condescension 🙄

                  Additionally, I don’t engage in political discussions with people that are easily upset by facts

                  Well MOST people don’t engage in political discussion with themselves so…

                  I tried educating you

                  No, you tried to convert me to your pro-establishment way of thinking against my will. That’s not education, it’s attempted indoctrination.

                  You’re FAR too influenced by your own belief that seeing what you want and not what is there is easier than facing the truth.

                  You’ve already earned your merit badge, you can stop with the glaring hypocrisy and projection.

                  Do better. Be better.

                  Right back at you. You FEEL that blindly believing the establishment kayfabe makes you more knowledgeable and overall superior.

                  It actually makes you gullible, narrow minded and, in your case, more condescending than Jeremy Clarkson explaining the importance of torque in racing cars to a woman.

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                    3 months ago

                    I’m guessing the “I’m going to end this here” part didn’t really make much sense to you. Now I think I understand why you didn’t want to read up on everything you have wrong.

                    Either way, I’m sure you had a lot of fun writing all that out- but I didn’t read anything it. You’ve proven yourself…. Unnecessary.

                    Best of luck to ya.