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This whole debate among the American left just feels to me as a big sign of “letting perfect be the enemy of good”
Your first mistake is considering the Democratic party “Left.”
Your first mistake is thinking that you’re contributing to the discussion
Truly a thoughtful counterpoint.
Now that “Genocide Joe” is out, the Lemmy-Leftists LARPing as communists have gone mask-off and are just proudly pushing accelerationism.
It was always a front.
She is just as genocidal as Biden. We are being critical because at least for me I was gaslit into voting for Biden despite all the red flags.
I knew that Biden was anti-Arab and specifically anti-Palestinian. But liberals assured me it will be fine. Well it isn’t fine we got a genocide. Once bitten twice shy.
Still on the Trump Train, huh?
What will the tankies use to justify not voting now?
Probably her prosecution of Marijuana possession.
Probably throw in some ancient anti-trans stuff too
It’s like politicians aren’t allowed to evolve on thier policies over time …
Genocide was my red line.
The guy doing genocide dropped out. Might as well vote for a roll of the dice.
Well, the dice on Kamila’s side is much more likely to be the end of it.
Trump accepted a huge donation from a woman who made him promise the annexation of Palestine. That annexation will not be good for the Palestinians.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/miriam-adelson-trump-2024-campaign-donor-israel.html
I doubt Biden wasn’t going to stop Israel from annexing Palestine, either. Remember his “red line” they blew past? They’re basically equal on genocide, except for some words by Biden. With Kamala, I’m not sure yet, so she’s got that going for her.
She came out early in favor of a ceasefire. As VP, she is complicit, but she’s ultimately powerless to change it. As a result I don’t hold her responsible. I doubt that there will be much publically said, as Biden will be president until January 20th at Noon, but given her being a former prosecutor, she clearly respects the law. And I am going to assume international law, she’s a strong woman, and I feel that she’s not going to cowtow to Israel, in my opinion.
Trump’s son in law, Jared Kushner has openly called for the opening of the Palestinian beaches and then a construction of a Trump Tower. You can call that equal if you want. Biden has been at least slowing offensive aid packages, Netanyahu is very upset and has been openly condemning it as Biden being pro Hamas. Imagine Biden, famed Zionist, being pro Hamas.
He’s still been giving them tons of weapons and bypassing Congress to do that. Even delayed weapons have been going through so it hasn’t really mattered in the end because they have enough weapons to cover them during a delay or two. Plus any delays are made up for by other expedited shipments. Once again, just words and theater. They’re pantomiming for each other’s base and opposition basically. The US just needs the slightest excuse from Israel that they won’t bomb civilians, despite continuing to do so, and then it’s bombs away. Not to mention all the criticism and excessive force approved of by Biden against pro Palestinian protestors. Materially, there’s no difference.
So far, from what I’ve heard and seen, I have much more faith in Kamala on this issue than Biden. Which isn’t much, it’s a low bar, but she isn’t actively causing a genocide, so she’s got my vote more than Biden. Not that it means anything in this system that barely passes for democracy, because of the state I live in.
Additionally, we know Trump’s position of the illegal settlements during Trump’s last administration.
Look into Pompeo Doctrine. It’s the throwing out of the long-standing position that settlements are inconsistent with international law.
If you are seriously still considering Biden and Trump equal on this after I have given you verification and the actual truth, then you aren’t worthy of further discussion and you aren’t arguing in good faith, either you are a Tankie or a Russian Troll or a bot.
https://www.axios.com/2024/02/23/israel-settlements-blinken-pompeo-trump-illegal
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Biden doesn’t care about the illegal settlements either. He says he does, but he hasn’t done anything to change the fact that they’re increasing, nor the facts on the ground in terms of settler violence. He put out a few sanctions on like 4 guys, ignoring all the others, and sanctioned one military unit, which is still getting money because of the billions of dollars we give the rest of their government. They need to sanction the whole government like they do Russia for Ukraine, or at least high up government officials or business leaders. Otherwise, it’s just for show, like shouting ACAB while arresting one bad cop, and then giving the rest of the corrupt department money, military vehicles, and promotions.
Rhetorically, they say different things, sure, but in terms of how things affect Palestinians, they’re basically the same. Biden just wrings his hands and shakes his head more before giving Israel the weapons and money, while Trump high fives them. Either way the genocide progresses at the same rate. They can’t bomb them any faster without ruining the rest of the international cover they have, or ruining the land they want to take with nuclear radiation.
eyup. new directive is pushing the harris bad narrative now that project get joe to drop is complete.
Sure would be nice if people realized they are being manipulated, but being we are a stubborn species, pointing it out just makes idiots dig in harder.
It’s not a narrative as much as it is a fact. Her approval numbers are pretty terrible. Not insurmountable, but not great.
Found one.
I wonder if all those rampant anti Biden astroturfers are going to create new accounts to dump on Harris, or if they’ll just continue on.
Haven’t seen any Linkerbaan posts about her yet. We’ll see.
She’s a woman, and she’s black, of course there will be opposition.
It’ll be interesting to see what minor controversy from her past that voters glom onto and equivocate with Trump’s blatant assault on democracy.
She argued in court in favor of California’s death penalty, and she threatened to jail parents of truant kids while she was the DA in San Francisco. It’s more complicated than those sound bites–like, it was her job to argue the state’s position–but you’ll get the sound bite opposition.
I don’t like Harris since I support 2A rights in addition to things like LGBTQ+ rights, and right to choose, but I like her odds of winning more than I liked Biden’s.
Truancy courts are not controversial. Literally holding a parent criminally liable for not sending their child to school. Maybe there’d be less Lord of the Flies gangs of tweenage criminals in every major city if truancy was better enforced.
They shouldn’t be. But I recall the way that they were framed at the time made them sound really bad. When you looked into it, and realized that no one had even gotten past the threatened with arrest part, it started to make a lot more sense.
This idea that any criticism of her is invalid and just misogyny/racism is bullshit. She is a very flawed candidate, ESPECIALLY for people of color.
Why especially for people of color?
Her activity as a prosecutor. A particular standout for me was prosecuting lower income parents of color for school absenteeism. While I firmly believe children should be educated, I don’t think throwing overworked low income parents in jail is going to help keep those children in school, well supervised, and ultimately safe.
Just a reminder that Harris has a voting record to the left of all Senate Democrats.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kamala_harris/412678/report-card/2020
I’m sure the Russians already have their list of alliterative agitprop ready to test on .ml before pushing the best ones to prod on Reddit and Facebook.
I mean just reprint the copmala material from when she was announced as VP pick and you’re golden.
And I will remain blind to them. America is about to live in the context of the Coconut Lady. (I will support whoever gets the nomination at the end of the DNC.)
I would support a steaming pile of Biden’s dogs shit over that old as fuck racist rapist with 34 felonies. VOTE
What policies will this shit provide for the everyday American?
Its not a convicted felon and has taken 0 human rights away. Vote for the cleanest shit!
This attitude almost got Biden nominated, which would have guaranteed a Trump presidency.
You have to force Democrats to be good enough to actually win.
Yes, some of us don’t like genocide or chattel slavery which are too things she made a career out of.
This thread is about us politics, pretty sure .ml is where you want to discuss Chinese policies.
Yeah… You may want to look into prison labor laws, then check incarceration rates in the US. We have slavery with extra steps.
There’s a huge difference between us needing major criminal justice reform and her making a career as a chattel slaver. The fact that you even made this leap makes me believe you have no interest in a good faith argument.
That’s easy for someone from the settler class to say who’s not subject to modern chattel slavery.
Ah yes when you have no response so you just attack and dismiss the other person
Pure projection.
We’re electing a president, not a monarch. Nobody is above criticism, and there’s a weird segment of people who act like criticism from the left exists only to help the right.
Like, I actually saw someone say we shouldn’t do it because it’s too nuanced for the average voter, and sorry but I don’t do paternalism like that. If reading criticism of how a candidate isn’t far enough left makes you vote further right, that’s a basic political literacy problem.
Because when all those people do is criticize Democrats, sabotage outreach efforts, and don’t put any time or effort into defeating fascists, then it is very obvious where they stand.
Like I get it - huffing farts from time to time is great. But you gotta take a break and mix some productive advocacy and outreach if you actually care about Democracy instead of just smelling farts.
I mean, we could focus on defeating the GOP and the day after the election results come in start using social pressure to guide our elected officials. If the criticism risks the GOP seizing even more power, it might be counterproductive to your goals even if the criticism is valid.
Any good faith criticism of the Dem candidate should be obvious in its criticisms that R policies are inherently worse. For example, Harris’ record as DA is worth criticizing, but any bad decisions related to imprisoning people are going to be a million times worse under Trump, as Project 2025 shows.
Exactly this. On this platform and elsewhere, there is a lot of well-meaning criticism but there are many agents of chaos or narrative pushers that disguise themselves as genuine criticism. I try to interact genuinely and give an opportunity to demonstrate that they are looking for a constructive path forward for the party.
Any good faith criticism of the Dem candidate should be obvious in its criticisms that R policies are inherently worse.
Your argument would be great if we didn’t live in the reality presented below. There are too many people sitting on the fence who legitimately cannot discern between a mediocre candidate and a career conman, criminal rapist. Where you see nuance, others see “she’s no better than Trump”.
I like Harris as much as I like Biden, which is not at all, but the alternative is the very real possibility of the end of America.
For my money those charts will look very different after the next debate.
There’s also not a combination of words that’s going to convince me leftists criticizing Dems are going to kill America. Even if Trump gets elected, you are missing every potential lesson if what you take away is “leftists too mean.”
Yeah discouraging voters has never led anywhere bad before.
Normal people don’t read lefty struggle sessions on the internet. 🙄
It’s a good thing they only let “normal” people vote.
Well, last time we pushed Biden left it was called too soon after election, give them time to form a plan. Form a cabinet, figure out policies.
Then it was midterms. Questioning the policies for misterm gives Republicans a win. They have to keep these conservative polices set by the last Republican to win over Republican voters.
Then it’s 2024. Questioning policies is a win for Republicans. They need to win this election, and then we can push them left.
I’m hoping it ends with a younger nominee.
Can she remember what she had for breakfast? If so, she’s got my vote.
And this is why I’ll never be president.
Well maybe you could be president if you stopped eating avocado toast and made coffee at home.
Seriously. I NEVER know what she had for breakfast.
I’d vote for you if you legalize my medicinal cocaine.
Don’t forget about my emotional support prostitute.
I like both at the same time so you can try pushing rope into a bored looking lady for three hundred bucks an hour.
Yikes.
Before you say Trump can too, hamburgers don’t count as breakfast.
At least he remembered lol
Black cop, black cop!
How about a primary. Democrats are supposed to be Democratic.
There already was one. No one but Biden showed up.
And no Jill Stein and your buddy Cornel West are still not viable.
Are you going to flip to bitching about Harris all the time? Most of us know the real reason you’re here even though you won’t admit it.
Are you going to flip to bitching about Harris all the time?
You know he will. His tactics are so obvious.
We’ll find out about 2am eastern when his next shift starts. If there is a reply at all.
This is going to be another talking point “but DiD yOU eLecT her???” When in truth only 2% of the US population votes in the primaries
You didn’t vote for the Biden/Harris ticket? I certainly remember voting for them both.
Someone winning an election once and then being in power for the rest of their life.
What do we call that again
Wut. Are you implying that Harris will change the 4 year presidential cycle?
I didn’t vote for either in my primary. I chose any other Democrat, like many other people.
We don’t need another DA/Prosecutor or proponent of prison slavery and ignorer of Police Brutality as President. She was against the Israeli War before this, I wonder if that position will change now.
Kamala Harris lost badly in the 2020 Primary, so putting everything on her will not do well for us.
If you didn’t just vote for her in 2024 then you were never a Biden/Harris voter to begin with, so I’m not really too concerned with your opinion on the matter.
How feasible do you think it is to go down that route right now?
Plenty. There’s MONTHS before the actual election.
No other country in the world has “election seasons” lasting an entire year.
Is it safe to say that it’s never been done in America before?
No other country is 50 different countries with different election rules in a trenchcoat.
