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    once Ukrainians start driving tanks down Russian highways

    I doubt the West will supply arms for a large-scale invasion of Russia. They’ve already made it clear that the stuff that they are supplying is to be used only in Ukraine, occupied Ukraine, and Crimea, and not anywhere in Russia proper. And Ukraine has been very careful to strike inside Russia only with weapons that do not come from Western governments, and to aim only at military and government targets inside Russia. I doubt a ‘real’ invasion will happen. Drone worries and border skirmishes, certainly; actual march-on-Moscow invasion, I doubt it.

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      nothing on this Earth is going to stop that Army… they will do what they want now… you just expressed every Russian’s delusional dream…

      Russians have some waking up in store for them

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        And on a more realistic note, Ukraine can only continue to fight as long as they have effective weapons, in large numbers - numbers too large for it’s treasury to handle.

        They have to get the arms from somewhere. Their best bet right now is the West, which has large amounts of various weapons designed to fight the Russians.

        If they lost the support of the West, it’s possible they could cobble together enough materiel from other sources - countries that would welcome Russian weakness, or welcome Russia’s distraction, or see Ukraine as a buffer, or who simply want influence in the area. They could cobble together an arms supply from those sources, but the supply would be erratic, be less designed for interoperability, and would likely run out faster than the Ukrainians’ need. I mean, even the US is struggling to supply enough munitions to Ukraine, I’m not sure who can keep up with the needed supply if the US steps out.

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          that is not an Army “being supported by” anyone… it exists. it was armed and trained by NATO, that’s correct… it is basically a NATO force now… deal with it or not, they’re going to show you…

          there is no force anywhere in Europe that can stop that Army now… it doesn’t matter if you understand that or not… they don’t need help…

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            You can have the best, most elite fighting force on the face of the planet. They still need weapons, they still need ammo, they still need grenades and rockets and artillery shells, their weapons and tanks and APC’s and drones still need servicing and replacements.

            In short, Ukraine needs an entire war-oriented production line and logistics/supply system. They have one now, courtesy of the EU, the US, and Ukraine’s other allies. A significant percentage of that military aid came from the US. The US is interested in helping Ukraine regain it’s full sovereignty including Crimea, and protecting it’s European allies. It has absolutely no interest in or appetite for, any real invasion of Russian soil. The US and the EU have repeatedly told Ukraine that Ukraine cannot use any materiel supplied by the US, the EU, or European nations, in any attack on Russia itself.

            Ukraine cannot ‘win’ an invasion of Russia with the weapons it currently has: they don’t have enough weapons or anywhere near enough ammo to do it. They may have enough for quick strike forces, but they certainly don’t have enough men to actually occupy Russia. Your dream of Ukrainian tanks rolling down Russian highways is just that - a dream.

            As for your assertion that “that is not an Army “being supported by” anyone […] they don’t need help”: here is a list of military retirement that the US has sent so far - it doesn’t even invite what Ukraine has received from other countries or companies. Please explain to me how Ukraine, even with the best army in the world, would win it’s war without the weapons and ammo supplied by it’s allies. And again, this is just a list of the US military aid, not the EU, not Australia or any of the other countries and companies sending supplies. U.S. security assistance to Ukraine between January 20, 2020, and June 27, 2023:

            [Please see my reply to this comment, it’s a long list]

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              10,000 Javelin anti-armor systems

              70,000 other anti-armor systems and

              munitions

              1,700 Stinger anti-aircraft systems

              4,000 TOW missiles

              35,000 grenade launchers and small arms,

              with ammunition

              100,000 sets of body armor and helmets

              Thousands of night-vision devices,

              surveillance systems, thermal imagery

              systems, optics, and laser rangefinders

              C-4 and other explosives

              Explosive-ordnance-disposal equipment

              M18A1 Claymore mines

              Anti-tank mines

              Mine-clearing equipment

              Obstacle-emplacement equipment

              Medical supplies

              Field equipment, cold-weather gear,

              generators, and spare parts

              Chemical, biological, radiological, and

              nuclear protective equipment

              18 armored bridging systems

              160 155mm Howitzers and ammunition

              72 105mm Howitzers and ammunition

              47 120mm mortar systems

              10 82mm mortar systems

              67 81mm mortar systems

              58 60mm mortar systems

              203mm, 152mm, 130mm, 122mm, 120mm,

              and 25mm ammunition

              38 HIMAR systems

              60,000 122mm Grad rockets

              Precision-guided rockets

              Rocket launchers and ammunition

              154 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles

              4 Bradley Fire Support Team vehicles

              31 Abrams tanks

              45 T-72B tanks (via the Czech Republic)

              125 Stryker armored personnel carriers

              300 M113 armored personnel carriers

              250 M1117 armored security vehicles

              200 armored medical-treatment vehicles

              500 MRAP vehicles

              125mm, 120mm, and 105mm tank

              ammunition

              2,000 Humvees

              354 tactical vehicles

              100 light tactical vehicles

              68 trucks

              124 trailers

              10 command post vehicles

              30 ammunition support vehicles

              6 armored utility trucks

              8 logistics support vehicle

              89 heavy fuel tankers and 105 fuel trailers

              1 Patriot air defense battery and munitions

              8 NASAM systems

              20 Avenger air defense systems

              HAWK air defense systems and munitions

              Laser-guided rocket systems

              RIM-7 missiles

              Antiaircraft guns and ammunition

              Equipment to integrate with and sustain

              Ukraine’s systems

              9 anti-drone gun trucks and ammunition

              10 anti-drone laser-guided rocket systems

              High-speed anti-radiation missiles

              (HARMs)

              Precision aerial munitions

              6,000 Zuni aircraft rockets (could function

              as air defense)

              7,000 Hydra-70 aircraft rockets

              20 Mi-17 helicopters

              ScanEagle drones

              Puma drones

              JUMP drones

              CyberLux K8 drones

              Switchblade drones

              Phoenix Ghost drones

              ALTIUS-600 drones (can also be used for

              surveillance)

              Munitions

              2 Harpoon coastal defense systems

              62 coastal and riverine patrol boats

              Unmanned coastal defense vessels

              Port and harbor security equipment

              4 satellite communications antennas

              2 radars for unmanned aerial systems

              21 air surveillance radars

              70 counter-artillery and counter-

              mortar radars

              20 multi-mission radars

              Tactical secure communications systems

              Counter air defense capability

              Counter–unmanned aerial systems

              Electronic jamming equipment

              SATCOM terminals and services

              Commercial satellite imagery services

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              you’re working really hard… good luck with that…

              In short, Ukraine…

              i love that you actually used the words, “in short”… just to demonstrate what a troll you are…