Eleven Republicans who submitted a document to Congress falsely declaring Donald Trump beat Joe Biden in Arizona in the 2020 presidential election have been charged with conspiracy, fraud and forgery.
    • TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee
      393·
      6 months ago

      Merrick Garland

      Ok so apparently I was wrong! The previous AD for Arizona Mark Brnovich shelved it (by which I mean threw in the trash the recommendation from his officers to bring together a grand jury) until he got booted from office by 281 votes.

      So if you really think that your vote doesn’t matter, you are incredibly mistaken.

      • jkrtn@lemmy.ml
        121·
        6 months ago

        You are right. I’m still enraged about that appointment. Imagine if it had been Schiff, or anyone else who gave a fuck about holding Repubs accountable.

        • homesnatch@lemm.ee
          4·
          6 months ago

          Did Merrick Garland really have something to do with the Arizona justice system? I understand calling him out for dragging his feet on the Federal side.

  • LesserAbe@lemmy.world
    25·
    6 months ago

    Why is trump an unindicted co-conspirator? Seems like if they have enough to charge those people why not him too?

    • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.worldOP
      15·
      6 months ago

      It doesn’t say. There are state suits in Nevada, Michigan, Georgia, Wisconsin, and now Arizona. He’s indicted in Georgia, so it’s probably pretty likely that he’s unindicted in at least some of them, leaving potential for future prosecution.

    • dogslayeggs@lemmy.world
      12·
      6 months ago

      I’m not a lawyer or a law expert, so this is purely a guess. By having him unindicted, it means he can’t be found not-guilty right now due to lack of evidence. I think that leaves him open to being indicted later once everyone else gets convicted. If AZ and the 4 other states convict the co-conspirators with Trump as unindicted (except in Georgia where he is indicted), that creates a much stronger case to bring up full indictment charges.

      • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
        5·
        6 months ago

        Also allows the application of leverage on them after conviction to become cooperators, I’d think. Make the offer after conviction but before sentencing and then recommend leniency to the judge in light of promised cooperation.

    • hasnt_seen_goonies@lemmy.world
      4·
      6 months ago

      He’s listed as an unindicted co conspirator. The reason for not indicting him can come down to local laws. The law in Georgia on conspiracy has a lower bar, which is why he got charged there.

  • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.worldOP
    192·
    6 months ago

    Former Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows and lawyer Rudy Giuliani are among those indicted in the Arizona election interference case.

    Oh Rudy. In the words of Ordell Robbie:

    “The fuck happened to you man? Your ass use’ta be beautiful.”

      • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.worldOP
        62·
        6 months ago

        You have no idea man. In the ‘80s, NY was a mess. Every mom and pop and bodega was paying protection money. The mob ran the streets. Rudy took the mob down with RICO laws and changed the face of the city in a decade. I was there. It was transformative. Any New Yorker would’ve trusted him to babysit their kids back then.

        Ironically, he’s now under RICO charges in Georgia. The guy hitched his wagon to Trump’s and went off the deep end. I wouldn’t trust him walking my neighbor’s dog today, and that thing never shuts up.

        • the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
          52·
          6 months ago

          I know. It was so bad Billy Joel wrote a song about abandoning Manhattan and flooding it. That would have happened without Giuliani though, RICO laws made it possible. Rudy was positioned to give interviews and become the face of the work his office was doing. Same with 9/11, it would have played out exactly the same of anyone else had been mayor at the time. He turned “right time right place” into a career.

          • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.worldOP
            22·
            6 months ago

            The RICO act was around since the early ‘70s. Giuliani was the one who figured out how to leverage it against the mob. Gotta give credit where it’s due. Sure, he’s a lying scumbag now, but that doesn’t change what he once did.

            I’m also not on the same page as you regarding 9/11. Giuliani had some great speeches, but he really stuck it to firefighters and first responders. They didn’t get the health benefit compensation he promised them until 2019 when Congress passed a support bill thanks to Jon Stewart.

            • the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
              31·
              6 months ago

              I’m also not on the same page as you regarding 9/11. Giuliani had some great speeches, but he really stuck it to firefighters and first responders. Many of them are still going to court today to get health benefit compensation.

              I’m not giving him credit, I’m saying he was in a position to grab it. It didn’t really matter how he handled the situation he was going to look like a hero in the press.

  • hoherd@programming.dev
    82·
    6 months ago

    Remember what they say though: a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich. I’ll be interested to hear a more thorough analysis of the charges. Sadly, this stuff is rarely as simple as it seems.