Gretchen Whitmer responds to calls by some Democrats to vote ‘uncommitted’ in Michigan’s primary on Tuesday

Gretchen Whitmer, the Michigan governor, pushed back on calls to not vote for Joe Biden over his handling of the Israel-Gaza conflict, saying on Sunday that could help Trump get re-elected.

“It’s important not to lose sight of the fact that any vote that’s not cast for Joe Biden supports a second Trump term,” she said on Sunday during an interview on CNN’s State of the Union. “A second Trump term would be devastating. Not just on fundamental rights, not just on our democracy here at home, but also when it comes to foreign policy. This was a man who promoted a Muslim ban.”

Whitmer, who is a co-chair of Biden’s 2024 campaign, also said she wasn’t sure what to expect when it came to the protest vote.

Rashida Tlaib, a Democrat who is the only Palestinian-American serving in Congress, urged Democrats last week to vote “uncommitted” in Michigan’s 27 February primary.

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    7 months ago

    Not just a second Trump term, but a second Trump term and continuation/acceleration of the genocide in Gaza. Not voting and letting Trump win with a razor thin margin in a swing state will not fix the problem. Between the two realistic choices, Biden is infinitely more likely to push Israel for a ceasefire, which is the best chance anybody has to get the situation under control.

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      It’s a primary. If Democratic leadership has moved on from telling people that they have to get behind the nominee in the general election, to now telling people that that can’t even vote against the candidate the elites have selected in a primary, they are effectively working for Trump, and tanking the election.

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        My comment was really more about the general election. The primary is a foregone conclusion. Joe Biden will be the Democratic party nominee. Donald Trump, barring any significant action from the SCOTUS, will be the Republican party nominee. You can vote for whoever you want in a primary. I know I voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2020 primary election, and then I voted for Biden in the general.

        I hate how obvious this wedge is being driven mostly by the right, and people can’t see it. It’s not going to stop after the Primary, unfortunately. That’s why we have to fight the narrative now while there’s still time.

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            Call me crazy, but fomenting dissent and convincing your base to do anything other than get behind your incumbent candidate is not how you win elections.

            This short term protest vote effort in the primary, meaningless on the surface, could have repercussions in the long term by convincing people to not actually turn out on election day if nothing changes.

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              Call me crazy,

              You are crazy.

              Obama’s primary against Hillary and Biden was brutal, including dog whistles from both the Clinton and Biden campaigns. Obama won. Hillary’s primary against Sanders was absolutely tame by comparison, and she lost. Trump’s primary was an absolute shit show of Republican fuckery and general nastiness, and he won. The 2020 Democratic primary was highly contended with Biden barely showing in the first several states, and he won. Trump was handed the encombant nomination with no real dissent and he lost. Are you seeing a pattern?

              What you are talking about was reasonably correct in the 90s when corporate media dominated and independent media was in it’s infancy. It’s not applicable today.

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                The only incumbent you mentioned in your examples is Trump in 2020, and his defeat there had less to do with him not having serious primary challengers and more to do with the fact that he was coming off of arguably the worst presidential term in US history.

                The rest of your examples (Obama, Hillary, Biden, etc.) are non-incumbents, and primaries in those cases are extremely helpful to gauge who the best candidate really is among a field of many qualified ones. That doesn’t guarantee victory, especially if the establishment just hands the nom over to whoever they feel like, such as in the case of Clinton 2016, but it’s not outrageous to think that if you’re party is going to front the same guy as last time and there are no legitimately serious challengers, why bother encouraging people to say the incumbent is bad?

                This election is quite unique, as it is literally a do-over of 4 years ago. Both parties could claim that they are running as incumbents. I don’t really see how the Republican establishment expect Trump to succeed this year where he failed in 2020 all the while saddled with even more baggage considering Jan 6th and his many, many criminal indictments.

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                  It’s always entertaining when someone who provided no support for their position criticizes the references of the opposing position.

                  The reason for encouraging people to say the incumbent is bad is to encourage the entombment to be something other than bad, or to encourage the party to replace them. This is a one of the rare situations where voters might actually have the leverage to change US policy on a critically important issue. This push is being spearheaded by Palestinian Americans with loved ones back in Palestine. How will you convince them to vote for Biden in the primary, or even the general?

                  I personally think that Trump has no path to winning the presidency, and might even be replaced by the RNC if he picks up some convictions. My concern is that I think Trump might be the only Republican that Biden can beat.

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                    It’s always entertaining when someone who provided no support for their position criticizes the references of the opposing position.

                    I’m only criticizing your references because you apparently skipped over the entire first part of my comment that specifically mentioned incumbent candidates and began listing off examples of non-incumbents who do well or poorly based on how contested their primaries are. That’s not what we’re discussing here.

                    How will you convince them to vote for Biden in the primary, or even the general?

                    Realistically, nothing I say will convince them to do anything other than what they feel is right, and that’s fine, but if I had to pick one thing to say, it would be:

                    “If you think things are bad now, they could be so, so much worse.”

                    I think people are losing the forest for the trees with this election.

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          hi, not right wing, not voting for biden. not voting in the general election at all. not unless there is meaningful action before the election. they want our vote bad, they have to earn it. not fear monger us into taking action for them.

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      It doesn’t look like Gaza will survive til election day, so none of this can be put on Trump.

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        You can’t blame Trump for the Gaza Genocide but you cannot claim that Trump will make any positive difference there vs Biden. And Trump WILL make destructive changes to the environment, women’s rights, minority rights, trans rights, global warming, existence of democracy and establish a more fascist state. So yeah, I guess one outcome is indistinguishable from the other

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          Show me some meaningful changes the biden administration has made in those arenas… We don’t have federally protected trans rights. Biden ok’d new pipelines. Democrats are attacking leftists and college students and saying they are russian or chinese assets when protesting for palestine so they don’t even believe in free speech. McCartheyism is on the rise and the AIPAC funded democrats don’t want actual radical leftists to have any voice or power.

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      You can say that all you want, but currently RIGHT NOW a democrat is furthering and furthering the genocide and murder of Palestinians. Trump IS NOT DOING THIS. Maybe he will, probably. BUT I KNOW FOR A GOD DAMNED FACT BIDEN DOESNT CARE.

      Quit telling me I’m letting democracy die while we have a democrat doing conservative politics in the whitehouse.

      You’re letting democracy die by capitulating to the two party system that doesn’t represent you.

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        Honestly, this is the reaction of a child. “I don’t agree with the system so I’m going to take my toys and go home, who cares who it hurts, even if it hurts me.”

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        So you’re voting for a guy who literally said to be a dictator? A guy who as some 90something criminals indictments, and has been convicted in too many fraud cases to count, who currently owes half a billion dollars in fines? Awesome Choice

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        If you’ve ever complained about a CEO seeking to boost profits to benefit themselves and not care about the long term repercussions of their actions. This is you. You’re doing it now. The GOP is seeking to remove democracy. They are allowing / endorsing it at CPAC. Republicans support Israel more than Democrats. A Trump term equals never having the ability to vote again + More support for Israel doing what it’s doing, and likely having the US join in. They’ve been begging to invade Iran for decades. Global politics is messy. If you act like it’s clean you’re just going to get steamrolled.