More video and eyewitness info on Al Jazeera so far

Also reported on Common Dreams and Middle East Eye.

I haven’t found any reports of any independent investigations yet, hopefully they are underway

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        9 months ago

        Of course, but this isn’t that. This is about stealing more land and ethnically cleansing it to make way for settlers. You aren’t doing self defense on stolen land.

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          No, the war started on Oct. 7th. The war is in response to terrorism on the part of Hamas.

          You’re just pulling a DARVO here.

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            You can’t just pick a date and ignore decades of history before that because it doesn’t support your case. The latest one could argue this conflict started was 1948, but Zionist terrorists had been operating in Palestine for decades at that point.

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                It’s not that Jews immigrated to their “homeland”, it’s that they are ethnically cleansing the people who have called that land home for thousands of years. Palestine could have been a modern pluralistic nation that included Jews, but instead zionists chose genocide to try and make a country for only Jewish people. That’s why this conflict is where it is today, Palestinians want some of their land back that was stolen in living memory (as opposed to 2000 years ago), but Israel really wants beachside condos and there are people they consider sub-human in their way.

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                  Are you suggesting that the genocide didn’t start with the Oct. 7 war but has been going on the whole time as part of the return process?

                  Yeah, dude, that’s just antisemitism.

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                    The genocide started when settlers began attacking Palestinians towns to expel them from their land to make way for more settlers. Settlers had been there for decades before at that point without committing genocide. It’s the displacing and killing that’s the problem, not the immigration. It’s got nothing to do with the fact that they’re Jewish either, calling it antisemitism is using past atrocities against Jewish people to justify or deflect from the currently ongoing genocide.

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        Yeah, that’s a list of Palestinians attacking invaders/colonizers in Palestine. Palestinians defending themselves in Palestine is unambiguously self defense. The tactics aren’t preferable, but I’m in no position to tell any person suffering under a brutal occupation that their fight for self determination is in some way invalid.

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          Cool, you say that Israel is colonizers and Palestine is defending themselves.

          I’ll say that Gazans are terrorists and Israel is ensuring it’s security. Israelis defending themselves after an invasion of their country is unambiguously self-defense. Their tactics aren’t preferable, but I’m in no position to tell someone who is under attack how to defend themselves.

          Unfortunately none of this solves problems for actual civilians in the conflict.