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I can’t lose or win this is not a fight.

Here you go, a different instance. It’s just wikipedia BTW: https://wiki.froth.zone/wiki/Isaac_Newton’s_occult_studies?lang=en

Also here: https://webspace.science.uu.nl/~gent0113/astrology/newton_main.htm It’s clarified that the idea that Newton was into astrology has been discredited, but you can find reference to the matter at hand, his interest in theology, and the one of many of his/our predecessors.

“From times immemorial, astrology has been a determining factor in the decisions and actions of men of all ranks and stations. At the begin of the 17th century, great scientists as Tycho Brahe, Galileo Galilei, Johannes Kepler and Pierre Gassendi – now best remembered for their roles in the development of modern physics and astronomy – all held astrology in high esteem.”

And later:

“inspecting the inventory of the books from his library […] Among the 1752 books with identifiable titles on this list, no less than 477 (27.2%) were on the subject of theology, 169 (9.6%) on alchemy, 126 (7.2%) on mathematics, 52 (3.0%) on physics and only 33 (1.9%) on astronomy.”

I hope you learnt something new. Have a nice day.

You can run but you cannot hide: https://wiki.froth.zone/wiki/Isaac_Newton's_occult_studies?lang=en

And no, the people I mentioned moved theology in different directions, they actually did study and engaged with it.

#sorrynotsorry

Edit: changed wikiless instance.

I’m ateist just to be clear, but it’s undeniable that the path that lead to science stems from academia and univirsities rules and funded by clergy.

Leibniz was a fervent (or rather, average for the time) believer and bended backward to include God in each and any of his hypothesis about the world (so much so that in front of the logical necessities of motion he posited that God planned it all in advance, incuding some funny stuff about each of us being already alive in the ballsacks of our ancestors, to go around the fact that I wouldn’t be “godlike” to just spawn new souls every couple of seconds). He invented calculus and mechanical calculators and the likes.

Newton was basically an astrologer.

Bruno hypotized the existence of multiple worlds in space and, to him, that was cool because it meant the domain of God was even wider than previously thought. The Church of the Earth did not like that idea.

On the other hand, Saint Thomas and Saint Agustine both brought back the (relatively) modern approaches of Aristotles and Plato respectively, with a focus on reason as a driving force.

I could agree to disagree but I assume we’d both hate that.

Edit: I guess you stressed the point of “clergy” rather than “fervent believer”. I guess? I don’t find it that relevant since the members of the clergy, monks mostly, were doing their own thing and there was no centralyzed clergy research plan. You think something too weird and too popular, and the pope comes for you.

According to wikipedia the average resistance is 14 seconds.

I’ll clearify my concept. If you could possibly take a midle age theologist and teleport him to the current age, they’d be total nerds and not priests.

Clergy back then was studying, and studying and studying and exploring reality in a framework that gave for granted that God exixts. You can call it whatever you want but I think it’s a bit silly to reduct it to “those dumb fucks belong to the mines”, while in reality it through their efforts that, unwillingly (?), we pursued knowledge to the point of refining modern science methodology.

Nothing “makes” you anything. Questioning and exploring existence can look very different in different ages.

Also known as scientists.

Back in the days they were just philosophers aka scientists.

That’s the one, funnily enough in a perverted twist, they tend to see wealth as a sign that God has picked them as favourites (graced them) and they storically gravitated toward seeing poor people as, well, sinners, even thought their principles state that anyone could be graced or not no matter the more evident aspects of life.

Do they just, make the money disappear if you don’t reach the 50 or do they add up till you reach 50?

No, not really, it’s mostly a matter of power.

The Church itself is rooted in the idea that there are autorities on matter of faith and they adopted the Platonical Agostinean idea that faith is empowered by reason. Reason being a valid tool means you have experts that reasoned a lot about religion and people that know less and needs to be taught, ultimately by the Pope.

The “other” side tends to reject authorities, and take the words of the bible as sobjected to personal interpretation or, to an extent, make it into some sort of magical object that the faithfull subjects itself to, without questions. Accepting the contradictions, the illogal parts, are what that kind of faith is about because to question (throught reasoning) God is a Sin.

Unironically the question by witch many Christian faiths differ: does God needs abide to the rules of logic or not?

For the Roman Catholic, yes, for Calvinists and a bunch other (ok, many other but I’m not an expert), no.

Oh I assure you Timmy once you grow up you’ll appreciate friction ;) ;)

Maybe I went to bad schools, maybe my country has a dysfunctional education system, but I suspect the matter is widespread because it’s way easier to teach factual information rather than dive into the nuances of how confident we are about our explanations.

Some reductive examples: Pluto is / is not a planet, wings work because the path air takes is longer than on the other side, the cause for this war was xyz, you can’t subtract below 0 (that’s at a very early age of course), this philosopher thought X.

Oh I guess a CRUCIAL one is how most teachers are horribly unfit to answer “Why should I care about this?”, but that’s beside the point, in a way.

You broke nothing, it just annoys me that if you don’t hit university they refuse to teach you the unconfortable truth on plenty of things and you come out of school with a biased idea that everything has been explained already (history, math, physics…).

So the generic “particles just rubs” in the texbooks were lies and they didn’t know shit?

What the fuck is going on in here?

Apprently many of those were actually trapped inside their houses and just hold on, until they passed out from the gas.

So they are not hugging because asleep but hugged because knowing they were dying.

source: some recent documentary about these stuff, but I don’t trust myself enough.

Or they met one that fed them.