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Shit, I remember these in school. And I’m 22, pretty sure early 20s isn’t ood enough to count for an “are you this old” meme.

By that reasoning there is nothing preventing you from being prosperous except your own greed.

Go out into the wilderness and be prosperous like the cavemen. Having your tapwater taken away shouldn’t hinder you, those prosperous cavemen didn’t have the luxury of any modern amenities. Just the streams they could find and the food they could scavenge or kill.

Abandon your greedy insistence on enjoying modern luxury and go prosper. You’re the only thing stopping yourself.

And I’m sure you’ll have no trouble staying connected when you find the cellphone tree. After all, if humans didn’t create anything then everything must be naturally occurring. It’s just an illusion that modern technology requires creation of parts that could never exist naturally.

Humans absolutely created prosperity. The thing that was already here was nomadic hunter gatherer tribes that were perpetually one bad winter away from death.

Cutting off necessary resources is cruel. But refusing to acknowledge that those resources are provided by man made systems doesn’t help you. Going to bed hungry is very natural. Wild animals do that all the time. Tap water is not natural, everything about how that water got from the river into your tap was man made.

Just because it’s natural doesn’t mean it’s better, and just because it’s man made doesn’t mean it’s bad.

That “seem” is a tricksy word. Someone who is good at trickery is going to seem trustworthy, otherwise they probably wouldn’t be good at trickery.

Just like how parents spend most of their time preventing their toddlers from committing suicide.

They’re stupid, not suicidal.

So ethics aren’t a concern for you

Quite the opposite actually, as a farmer raising my animals ethically is a daily fact concern. I just don’t buy into your supposition that raising them is inherently unethical.

How about the adverse health effects

If I live long enough that eating meat is the primary thing that got me killed, I see that as an absolute win. I like riding motorcycles, I also like beer and sugar and baked goodies. I fully expect something else to get me well before a lifetime of eating meat has the chance. And I’m okay with that, I’d rather live a few years less and get to keep partaking in the things I enjoy. Plenty of people live into their 80s without giving up meat, and living into my 80s sounds plenty long to me.

environmental impacts of the meat industry

I believe that until nuclear is being seriously considered as the solution for clean electricity, then it isn’t worth worrying about which of my habits are supposedly causing the climate crisis.

Any considerations there, or is all about how delicious steak is to you?

I wouldn’t say it’s “all about” how delicious steak is. But I would say that in all of your examples “less steak” doesn’t seem to be the most prudent place to start, or to consider at all.

They live more comfortably than you do. In an environment literally designed to maximize their ability to grow.

Y’all continually fail to understand that farmers have a direct financial incentive to keep these animals happy and healthy. Stressed animals don’t grow nearly as well as happy animals, and small animals don’t make money.

Taking proper care of the animals is more profitable in the long run, even if you assume that all farmers are heartless monsters who enjoy watching needless suffering (we aren’t by the way).

They live more comfortably than you do. Food and water freely available, plenty of space, other animals to socialize. No worries or responsibilities, not even a real concept of the outside world. The farm is all they’ve ever known, and it’s all they ever need to know.

If we’re putting bacon, sausages, cutlets, and ribs in the same category because “it’s all pig”. Then I want to make sure that bulb onions, shallots, scallions, and leeks are also counted as one thing because they’re all just onions.

Look me in the eye and tell me that bulb onions and shallots are different but bacon and cutlets aren’t.

Is it still anecdotal if literally any farmer will tell you the same? Because they will.

A surprisingly large amount of effort goes into trying to keep the livestock from hurting themselves or getting themselves killed. That’s inevitable when essentially turn off natural selection, they end up losing any sense of self preservation. And why not, they do have multiple humans who’s entire career centers on keeping them alive until they’re ready for slaughter.

Nah.

Steak is delicious, and at the end of the day it’s only a cow.

You’re not helping anything. Shit like that just builds resentment.