If you were born in Latin America or into a Latin American family then I’m pretty sure that makes you Latino even if that’s not really your identity. You’re also Moroccan-Mexican. You might also be white, but that’s always a question of being white enough, which varies depending on the people around you. On many forms in the US you can identify as both white and Latin American because those are different questions.

Maybe it will be some consolation to remember that the Biden-Harris administration didn’t do much to reverse the things done by the first Trump administration and kept on going with a bunch of them. Things didn’t change much when he left and they probably won’t change much now that he’s coming back.

Okay, but what’s the space version of the Boo Box?

Hashtags good.

Don’t forget that this lady really got on the stage at the convention and shouted the lie that the Biden-Harris administration have been working tirelessly for a ceasefire in Gaza.

Well, genocide shouldn’t be up for debate. 🙃

I think I misunderstood you. For my part, I do not put much hope these days in elections. It’s just that for decades now I’ve been told voting third party meant throwing your vote away. This time you were wasting your vote (and a serious moral principle) to cast it for Harris. It’s all just kind of astonishing to me, which is why I made the post.

we could have taken this election, but people didn’t show up.

Why do you blame millions of regular Americans instead of the extremely well funded campaign and the party behind it that failed to motivate these people to vote? How is it not the campaign that raised a billion dollars that’s responsible for this tremendous loss?

The democrats are never going to be what you want them to be.

Presumably we want them to be winners, right? How is that going to happen if the same idiots keep running their campaigns and doing completely self-defeating things like talking down to crucial constituencies and wheeling out Dick Cheney from his crypt? It’s looking like they can’t be winners, at least not at the presidential level. So, how poorly will the Democrats have to perform that you decide that you might as well vote for a third party candidate? Would it not be enough to notice a lack of corrective action ahead of 2028 to make you reconsider your loyalty?

Yes those were for president, but there were at least half a dozen across other races. I asked you “Can the Democrats perform poorly enough that you would decide that you might as well vote third party (or abstain)?” If you’re trying to imply an answer, I’m not following.

Not sure what you mean. There were about four or so third parties on my ballot. There are also of course options to write-in a candidate or abstain.

So you will always vote a straight Democratic ticket as long as there are Senate and House candidates with a good chance of winning? What if they have no chance of winning the White House? I think that that would be apparent if the people who ran Hillary, Biden, and Harris’s campaigns are still involved and the strategy is still to court Republicans. Can the Democrats perform poorly enough that you would decide that you might as well vote third party (or abstain)?

The link in the body text of the OP is not for an x.com page. If you don’t want to follow the link in the header, it is just for a tweet by @jon_bois asking the same question that I am asking, referencing the revelation that Biden kept running despite his team knowing that Trump was going to win with something like 400 electoral votes.

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Why? 100,000 people over the course of a few months isn’t enough of a problem for you?

I did a quick search and the most recent statistic I found was that at least 7.36 million people were arrested for all offenses in the US in 2022. That is about half of the peak annual rate in the nineties. The sad reality is that 100,000 more arrests spread out over a year just isn’t that much. If you are clarifying the scenario as “100,000 people getting deportation or prison time for things that are currently absolutely clearly legal, such as being Hispanic or attending a protest”, then that is specific enough for me to agree to a six month window.

I agree on the terms for the second scenario, that there’s new legislation or policy under Trump that leads to social media users or operators getting criminally charged merely for social media posts that are critical of the Republican party.

I’ll bet $50 against each scenario. I’m fine with not paying each other. The loser can pay that much to the organization of the winner’s choice. If I am successful I will probably choose a smaller group that provides legal assistance to immigrants and asylum seekers or maybe a strike fund. I don’t know. The point is I won’t expect you to give money to something bad.

They did really badly this time, repeating mistakes from previous campaigns. I’m not saying they can’t fix their problems, but it will be clear that they haven’t if the same people are running the next campaign and they keep trying to court Republicans.

So then no amount of failure or lack of corrective action on behalf of the Democratic party would get you to cast a vote for a third party presidential candidate?

Edit: I mean if you didn’t have RCV.

Okay, that’s fair. If staunch necessarily means believing in the platform then I used the wrong word.

100,000 people hauled away by the cops when they haven’t done anything or committed what we would now consider a crime.

So, 100,000 people arrested or otherwise taken from their homes under a new or previously unimplemented legal pretext? I think we need to add a narrow timeframe over which these detentions would occur, like a single week. Is this number separate or inclusive of people who get deported on some immigration basis?

Mass deportations of currently legal immigrants,

1.1 million people were officially “returned” to Mexico in one year of Operation Wetback. So, let’s say Trump suddenly revokes the legal status of and deports at least that many people, times some factor to account for population increase, in the first year of his term.

serious charges for people who participated in a protest but nothing else, is the obvious possibility.

A lot of people have been arrested at peaceful protests under Biden, so it seems like we’re already at a grim baseline condition. Not sure what the bet is here.

That and laws or federally enforced law-facsimiles of some kind that mean you get punished just for a certain viewpoint that would be fine now. It could be a crime for a social media company or a private citizen to debunk election fraud claims from 2020, or something similar to that.

Maybe there are some bills or amendment text floating around you can point to that if passed and successfully enforced would meet this expectation? That includes beating first amendment challenges, right?

Are you guaranteeing all of these scenarios or just any of them? Or should each one be a separate bet?

Is there a betting community on Lemmy where we could post our bet?

Right, but the premise of the question is that the Democrats are no longer viable at the Presidential level either.