• Pogbom@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I feel like everything you said supports my point. You’re not in favour of tipping because it’s the morally right thing to do, or because you altruistically support hard workers. You’re in favour of it because you personally make a shit ton more money.

    And it completely avoids my point that if you think you deserve that money (which I agree you do) then you should take it up with your employer instead of shaking down customers through guilt.

    certain service roles

    This is really the heart of it. I’m sorry but no role is more deserving of tips than another. Everyone deserves a living wage paid by their employer. If you truly believed in rewarding good service with good pay, you would want to abolish the tipping system and advocate for all workers being paid a living wage regardless of tips. You can’t just support the industry that you personally work in and say you care about fair pay.

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      9 months ago

      You’re not in favour of tipping because it’s the morally right thing to do, or because you altruistically support hard workers. You’re in favour of it because you personally make a shit ton more money.

      I’m in favor of it because it helps everyone involved. There is no one that tipping is bad for.

      This is really the heart of it. I’m sorry but no role is more deserving of tips than another. Everyone deserves a living wage paid by their employer.

      All wages are paid by consumers. If the price of going to a restaurant increases by 25% and servers aren’t tipped, I assure you that every person involved is having a worse experience

      People will go to restaurants less, more restaurants will fail, fewer people will work as servers, and they’ll work longer hours (similar to BOH). You can see this played out in countries that do not tip - and also with jobs like catering that generally do not focus on topping for service.

      What won’t happen is the restaurant owners themselves won’t be paying servers more from their own pocket. This is also observable anywhere tipping isn’t a thing

      Idk what meme or podcast or whatever convinced people that tipping culture is bad, but absolutely none of the arguments make any sense. If they did, I could be persuaded, but most points are just completely ignorant of the reality of working in a restaurant and the rest seem like they’re specifically designed to manipulate you.

      It’s on employers to pay their employees a fair wage

      This one being the most obviously manipulative