Was a interesting reaction from some in the fediverse stating they would block the BBC instance etc. In reality how welcome are entity’s that are seen as corporate?
I also cannot understand why the BBC news is not live, possibly they are experimenting with the moderation and management elements. I guess the news feed would get hit harder than Radio 4.
There are some on mastodon that want to live in a fairly defensively disconnected/defederated bubble (compared to many other instances or lemmy/kbin).
And, IMO, that’s totally fine and good … freedom of association gives people and instances that power and it should be embraced when people chose to exercise it TBH, so long as it’s done by admins in a way that isn’t too autocratic against their users and open and transparent.
Iirc, the big instance declaring immediately that it would defederate with them was one that’s very well known for being strict with moderation and had firm rules about anti-trans instances. Because the BBC has a history of being anti-trans, they defederated.
That’s a total misunderstanding of what the BBC is. As a public broadcaster representing the whole of the UK, it has a duty to represent all views. While I personally disagree with them, gender critical or TERF views are extant in the UK at present and the public conversation on where this will all land legally is still ongoing, therefore they have an obligation to hear from all sides, no matter how unpalatable one of them may be to some.
Because by and large society has decided that racism is a bad and unacceptable thing. There’s pockets of it about but no one is taking that seriously. The current discussion around gender and how society moves to accommodate peoples exploration of their identity in the modern world is still very much ongoing.
I don’t agree with the gender critical or “TERF” arguments, I’m very much of the belief that everyone should be allowed to identify and live as their chosen gender with access to the rights and services that dictates. However some people don’t, for various reasons.
We can call them bigots and attempt to shun them and hide them away, but it’s not going to stop smaller news outlets that are actually bigoted like GBNews or Talk TV having them on without the pro-Trans counterpoint that the BBC would have.
Better to shine a light on these people and force them to justify their beliefs in a neutral environment than spred then in one that’s already in agreement with them no?
There are lots of people who just want to hear that they are right, that others agree with them. They would rather hang out in an echo chamber where it’s constantly reinforced that their opinions are right rather than hear people who disagree with them.
Personally I value hearing and understanding why others have different opinions than I do.
That’s quite a revelation to me, it has more of a reputation of being extremely liberal and indeed any even remotely right winger here usually whinges and moans about how “woke” it is 🤷🏻♂️
Do you know what in particular triggered their stance that they believed the BBC anti-trans?
It’s kind of ironic as despite having “corporation” in the name, the BBC is quite a “socialist” endeavour on how it’s funded and available to all uk citizens for a flat fee.
Socialist as in they send enforcers to your house who have the right to force themselves inside and check how many screens you have got feeding government propaganda into your skull.
You have to pay a TV licence to be lied to. Pretty sweet.
Was a interesting reaction from some in the fediverse stating they would block the BBC instance etc. In reality how welcome are entity’s that are seen as corporate?
I also cannot understand why the BBC news is not live, possibly they are experimenting with the moderation and management elements. I guess the news feed would get hit harder than Radio 4.
There are some on mastodon that want to live in a fairly defensively disconnected/defederated bubble (compared to many other instances or lemmy/kbin).
And, IMO, that’s totally fine and good … freedom of association gives people and instances that power and it should be embraced when people chose to exercise it TBH, so long as it’s done by admins in a way that isn’t too autocratic against their users and open and transparent.
Iirc, the big instance declaring immediately that it would defederate with them was one that’s very well known for being strict with moderation and had firm rules about anti-trans instances. Because the BBC has a history of being anti-trans, they defederated.
That’s a total misunderstanding of what the BBC is. As a public broadcaster representing the whole of the UK, it has a duty to represent all views. While I personally disagree with them, gender critical or TERF views are extant in the UK at present and the public conversation on where this will all land legally is still ongoing, therefore they have an obligation to hear from all sides, no matter how unpalatable one of them may be to some.
Lol no, because as far as i can tell they dont do it with other forms of bigotry like racism.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidance/impartiality-and-racism
Because by and large society has decided that racism is a bad and unacceptable thing. There’s pockets of it about but no one is taking that seriously. The current discussion around gender and how society moves to accommodate peoples exploration of their identity in the modern world is still very much ongoing.
I don’t agree with the gender critical or “TERF” arguments, I’m very much of the belief that everyone should be allowed to identify and live as their chosen gender with access to the rights and services that dictates. However some people don’t, for various reasons.
We can call them bigots and attempt to shun them and hide them away, but it’s not going to stop smaller news outlets that are actually bigoted like GBNews or Talk TV having them on without the pro-Trans counterpoint that the BBC would have.
Better to shine a light on these people and force them to justify their beliefs in a neutral environment than spred then in one that’s already in agreement with them no?
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I had no role in the instance’s decision; don’t try to argue against their with me. I’ve got no say in it.
“Both sides” is BS
Whether you or I may think that, if it’s in their remit, then that’s their job.
Different presenters can have different positions on issues no?
There are lots of people who just want to hear that they are right, that others agree with them. They would rather hang out in an echo chamber where it’s constantly reinforced that their opinions are right rather than hear people who disagree with them.
Personally I value hearing and understanding why others have different opinions than I do.
The BBC has a history of being antitrans?
That’s quite a revelation to me, it has more of a reputation of being extremely liberal and indeed any even remotely right winger here usually whinges and moans about how “woke” it is 🤷🏻♂️
Do you know what in particular triggered their stance that they believed the BBC anti-trans?
It’s the official broadcaster of TERF island. Even their foremost left wing newspaper is transphobia central.
It still makes me so sad to see what’s become of the Guardian.
It’s kind of ironic as despite having “corporation” in the name, the BBC is quite a “socialist” endeavour on how it’s funded and available to all uk citizens for a flat fee.
Socialist as in they send enforcers to your house who have the right to force themselves inside and check how many screens you have got feeding government propaganda into your skull.
You have to pay a TV licence to be lied to. Pretty sweet.
You better put your tinfoil hat on, block the propaganda then.