It’s the technology curve. We’re now at the iPhone 3GS stage. The iPhone 4 of EVs is just around the corner. It will only get better (not cheaper) from here.
27.5k And you’ll get less car for it. It’s small, and bumping it up to 2lt puts it over 30k. Every EV it’s still more expensive, even with credits most of the time, then it’s equivalent ICE competition.
Right but with the credits mine was comparable to an equivalent ICE. So why would I ever pick the ICE car? More maintenance, have to pay more for fuel. No thanks.
Not arguing EVs arent more expensive on average but if the price is the same, the only reason to go ICE is if you travel looooong distances regularly, which most people dont.
The credits aren’t. You might find a model that say a particular time are a close comparison but the really is most of the the time you are sacrificing drivetrain power or features even after the EV credit + slightly lower fuel costs. And when you do have vehicles in this category it’s economy vehicles.
I should mention I live in Canada. The credits here are pretty nice. Maybe its worse in the states. It was absolutely comparable price to a comparable ICE car of its class here.
I see a 5k credit. In US prices that’ll mean a drop in performance or luxury. Me driving 5000 miles a year with a 3.90 (1k/yr) fuel cost, I have at best have a chance to save $400 a year.
Less car? It’s actually pretty big. 200 hp, tons of torque, 0-60 in 6 seconds, lots of room in the back. Fits 4 adults, car seats easily fit. Lots of headroom and leg room.
I can smoke BMWs off the line all day. And it saves me about $1,000 in fuel costs per year.
i’ll glady swap to electric if the battery technology gets better and dosen’t use nickel cobalt and lithium and if you don’t know please google pictures of the mines and effects of theese mines
It’s the part about being happy about it that I don’t like. I drive a hybrid, but that’s about saving money more than anything. I’m not happy to see the tank at full. It just reminds me of my contribution to making things worse.
The biggest impetus to change isn’t your personal consumer habits. It’s industry. And they want you to feel like YOU aren’t doing enough while they do jack shit except fuck over the rest of us every day so they can jerk each other off with their quarterly earnings reports.
(I’m not saying we should all be rolling coal, that’s stupid and gross and childish. Just that we shouldn’t internalize anxiety about ‘doing enough’)
Well, if you drive a hybrid, have you ever thought of where your electricity comes from? Probably a very inefficient coal or natural gas plant! Also, its not the gas gauge, its the engine heat gauge lol.
Point is, don’t fret over your fossil fuel usage. Big corporations use more fossil fuels a day than you will ever use in your lifetime, even if you drive a fuel guzzling truck.
to me it’s funny all theese climate protectors beleave the proaganda of oil companies the normal human ilhas all the fault not the companies. pssst we should start at the companies then go to the everyday human. and on the topic of ev’s i would rather drive a hydrogen car swap out the tank of your combustion car and all that comes from your exhaust is water without having to produce millions of new cars and without having the drawbacks ev’s have
Hey make sure you sort your recycling if it makes you feel better.
Don’t worry about mine tailings leaching into the groundwater or the fact that our communities are designed around needing to own a vehicle, it’s us average folks that aren’t doing enough!
I have 90% of my heating and cooling on solar and sell back to my neighbors. I ate probably 40% of my food last week from garden using my own compost. I don’t have enough plastic waste or waste in general too sort through.
More power to you! You decided how you wanted to live, and you’re able to make it reality. I’m genuinely happy for you because that sense of accomplishment is a universal human thing and it feels good.
Aside from that I’m not interested in how green someone’s dick is while my state is planning to pave our roads with radioactive waste. Or while the phosphate industry dumps their runoff into our waterways and we have massive algae blooms that ruin what tourism we have left.
I suspect you and I agree on more issues than not. All I’m saying is your neighbor -the guy who doesn’t have switching to an EV at the top of a to do list yet, which is what this discussion was initially about- is not the enemy here.
That’s great, but personal behavior is literally nothing in the grand scheme of things. Dismantling and punishing the corporations who are at fault is millions of times more effective.
Let’s all live in shame because we can afford electric. I hate to tell you the huge amount of emissions that go into producing the electric cars in the factories too. Also the non-renewable resources that go into them.
I got an 02 Subaru outback in really good condition, and only 196k miles. I still got a few years. When it dies, I’ll probably get a car around 2012 or so. No way it’s cheaper to get an EV then to buy used.
I mean, having to worry about getting around all month on a mostly empty tank, side-eyeing the gauge at every traffic light at the commute to work isn’t that great.
I know a few people that had a hard time paying for gas to even get to work and when they managed to fill the tank they felt relieved, so I can understand where those people come from.
I personally am glad I can work from home, just saves so much gas. Fill it up, use it for 1-2 months to buy groceries, visit people, drive to the few work appointments that don’t work over Teams.
As a rule of thumb: gas is good 2-3 months in a car tank, before it’s ability to properly combust deteriorates. It wont go bad immediately, but it’s power yield worsens over time, so does your car’s mpg, because it needs more gas to compensate.
Hey buddy, I’ll gladly swap to electric if you’re willing to foot the bill!
Hopeful they’ll get cheaper quickly
They are, but not quickly enough.
Ten years ago we got the Nissan Leaf, and now you can buy cars with 2x the range for almost half the price.
It’s the technology curve. We’re now at the iPhone 3GS stage. The iPhone 4 of EVs is just around the corner. It will only get better (not cheaper) from here.
Chevy bolt is $26k out the door
27.5k And you’ll get less car for it. It’s small, and bumping it up to 2lt puts it over 30k. Every EV it’s still more expensive, even with credits most of the time, then it’s equivalent ICE competition.
Right but with the credits mine was comparable to an equivalent ICE. So why would I ever pick the ICE car? More maintenance, have to pay more for fuel. No thanks.
Not arguing EVs arent more expensive on average but if the price is the same, the only reason to go ICE is if you travel looooong distances regularly, which most people dont.
The credits aren’t. You might find a model that say a particular time are a close comparison but the really is most of the the time you are sacrificing drivetrain power or features even after the EV credit + slightly lower fuel costs. And when you do have vehicles in this category it’s economy vehicles.
Federal gives you up to $7,500 off, some states give $5,000+ cash rebate. If I were to buy my bolt again it would cost me $12,000 total.
Thats literally the cheapest car you can buy in the US that I know of.
I should mention I live in Canada. The credits here are pretty nice. Maybe its worse in the states. It was absolutely comparable price to a comparable ICE car of its class here.
I see a 5k credit. In US prices that’ll mean a drop in performance or luxury. Me driving 5000 miles a year with a 3.90 (1k/yr) fuel cost, I have at best have a chance to save $400 a year.
Less car? It’s actually pretty big. 200 hp, tons of torque, 0-60 in 6 seconds, lots of room in the back. Fits 4 adults, car seats easily fit. Lots of headroom and leg room.
I can smoke BMWs off the line all day. And it saves me about $1,000 in fuel costs per year.
i’ll glady swap to electric if the battery technology gets better and dosen’t use nickel cobalt and lithium and if you don’t know please google pictures of the mines and effects of theese mines
It’s the part about being happy about it that I don’t like. I drive a hybrid, but that’s about saving money more than anything. I’m not happy to see the tank at full. It just reminds me of my contribution to making things worse.
Aww man you’re falling for their bullshit 😞
The biggest impetus to change isn’t your personal consumer habits. It’s industry. And they want you to feel like YOU aren’t doing enough while they do jack shit except fuck over the rest of us every day so they can jerk each other off with their quarterly earnings reports.
(I’m not saying we should all be rolling coal, that’s stupid and gross and childish. Just that we shouldn’t internalize anxiety about ‘doing enough’)
I mean, we can do both…
Well, if you drive a hybrid, have you ever thought of where your electricity comes from? Probably a very inefficient coal or natural gas plant! Also, its not the gas gauge, its the engine heat gauge lol.
Point is, don’t fret over your fossil fuel usage. Big corporations use more fossil fuels a day than you will ever use in your lifetime, even if you drive a fuel guzzling truck.
No, I know where it comes from. The car’s internal combustion engine. Because that’s how hybrids work.
Yeah I guess. But there are some hybrids that charge via EV plug. My point still stands either way.
My evs power comes from hydro and wind power, for which I pay a small extra fee for.
My state just closed its last coal power plant last year!
to me it’s funny all theese climate protectors beleave the proaganda of oil companies the normal human ilhas all the fault not the companies. pssst we should start at the companies then go to the everyday human. and on the topic of ev’s i would rather drive a hydrogen car swap out the tank of your combustion car and all that comes from your exhaust is water without having to produce millions of new cars and without having the drawbacks ev’s have
Not my fault 🤦♂️
An entire generation that’s fully educated on the matter and still punting it down the road. Classic.
Hey make sure you sort your recycling if it makes you feel better.
Don’t worry about mine tailings leaching into the groundwater or the fact that our communities are designed around needing to own a vehicle, it’s us average folks that aren’t doing enough!
You’re a sucker, sorry.
oh you think your sorting and recycling actually does somethin my sweet summer child the hole getts deeper and deeper
I was being sarcastic.
i ment it in a general sense and also sarcastic ^^
I have 90% of my heating and cooling on solar and sell back to my neighbors. I ate probably 40% of my food last week from garden using my own compost. I don’t have enough plastic waste or waste in general too sort through.
What do you do?
More power to you! You decided how you wanted to live, and you’re able to make it reality. I’m genuinely happy for you because that sense of accomplishment is a universal human thing and it feels good.
Aside from that I’m not interested in how green someone’s dick is while my state is planning to pave our roads with radioactive waste. Or while the phosphate industry dumps their runoff into our waterways and we have massive algae blooms that ruin what tourism we have left.
I suspect you and I agree on more issues than not. All I’m saying is your neighbor -the guy who doesn’t have switching to an EV at the top of a to do list yet, which is what this discussion was initially about- is not the enemy here.
That’s great, but personal behavior is literally nothing in the grand scheme of things. Dismantling and punishing the corporations who are at fault is millions of times more effective.
Oh right the corporations selling to people. Right, not my problem.
Let’s all live in shame because we can afford electric. I hate to tell you the huge amount of emissions that go into producing the electric cars in the factories too. Also the non-renewable resources that go into them.
$300/year to drive 10,000 miles per year feels pretty good though. Also, zero emission at the tailpipe.
Everyone will be driving ev within 10 years.
Lolololol 👌
I’ll definitely spend more to get less car and break even after 10 years of owning an EV.
You crazy if you think we’ll all be EV in 10 years, as much as I wish that’d be true
I still drive a 2002 lol
Your car will not last forever. I got rid of my 2002 3 years ago when it broke down. The ev was cheaper.
I got an 02 Subaru outback in really good condition, and only 196k miles. I still got a few years. When it dies, I’ll probably get a car around 2012 or so. No way it’s cheaper to get an EV then to buy used.
You will be able to buy used evs by then. I bought two used evs, for less than $31,000.
Dude. Not everyone is you,
Again, it’s about being happy about it. You don’t have to live in shame. There are other options.
Full tank of gas is a sign of getting paid, it feels good.
I’m pretty sure a full tank of gas is a sign of spending money. They don’t pay you to do it.
I mean, having to worry about getting around all month on a mostly empty tank, side-eyeing the gauge at every traffic light at the commute to work isn’t that great.
I know a few people that had a hard time paying for gas to even get to work and when they managed to fill the tank they felt relieved, so I can understand where those people come from.
I personally am glad I can work from home, just saves so much gas. Fill it up, use it for 1-2 months to buy groceries, visit people, drive to the few work appointments that don’t work over Teams.
You still realize that electricity isn’t free and in many places is close to the cost of gas, especially at super chargers?
I drive a plug-in hybrid and a full tank means I accidentally overfilled since it’s just going to sit in the tank for months at a time.
It doesn’t go bad so fast though.
As a rule of thumb: gas is good 2-3 months in a car tank, before it’s ability to properly combust deteriorates. It wont go bad immediately, but it’s power yield worsens over time, so does your car’s mpg, because it needs more gas to compensate.
Just don’t let it sit there like half a year