That is a serious tripping hazard…
I love it, but stairs and hanging objects that obstruct vision, can get stepped on, and can get tangled around your feet is just a recipe for a broken neck.
This is a serious hazard if you’re tripping.
I love it, but the giant paintbrush running up the house in rainbow colors will start to melt and swirl, and make you think you’re tiny as a mouse. It’s a recipe for a bad trip.
Is this a historic house? What’s the deal with the plaque to the left?
I was curious on that too so I just looked into it. This is the news article
The plaque to the left has QR Codes for The Trevor Project (a nonprofit that focuses primarily on suicide prevention in LGBTQ+ youth) with encouragement to donate.
Edit: Added Trevor Project link. Highly encourage donating!
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I really don’t like the “born this way” argument. The science does not support it, and it concedes to argue on the terms of the homophobes.
Rather than “this is me, there’s nothing wrong with who I am”, it argues “this is me, and it’s not my fault”.
EDIT: the science accepts genetics is a factor, but not the only factor. Sexuality is not a choice either way. My point is, even if it were, it wouldn’t matter because there is fundamentally nothing wrong with being gay.
… Wat.
The science DOES support it and it doesn’t concede anything to homophobes. Their whole argument is we have to choose the way we are. We do not because we are born this way. Moreover, we must be born this way as homosexuality exists in other animals as well.
Also the argument does NOT say “it’s not my fault.” The argument is “I didn’t choose this.”
Massive difference between what you’re suggesting and what’s happening.
The current accepted model involves both genetic and early psycho-developmental factors. There are studies on identical twins that grew up in separate households and the co-inheritance is nowhere near 100%.
My point is, it should not matter whether you were born gay, or not. What matters is, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the way you are.
“Their whole argument is we have to choose the way we are.”
That is exactly my point. Let’s not pretend their argument is in good faith or in any way truly relevant. Even if it were a choice, it would in absolutely no way detract from the point, there is nothing wrong with it.
I’d be interested in learning more about those studies
Here’s one. Though I believe this is with twins, who lived together. 65% concordance for monozygotic twins, 30% in heterozygotic. Implying genetics is a significant factor, but not the only factor. (Monozygotic twins have identical DNA)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8494487/
Here’s a more recent one:
My point is, it should not matter whether you were born gay, or not. What matters is, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the way you are.
Then make that point instead of the nonsensical comment that you previously made. Especially when you’re claiming something that is in direct opposition to your comment here/elsewhere. You were unclear. You do not get to be upset that people didn’t take your point as intended when your comment simply doesn’t reflect that stance on its own.
Where exactly was I upset? I did my best to explain my stance. And yes, my initial comment failed to put my thoughts across clearly and got rightfully downvoted as a result.
That is why I edited it and that is why I tried to explain my thoughts further.
I sincerely do not think the first comment goes against what I said here though. It was written poorly, but the sentiment and thoughts behind it are the same.
It being written poorly changes the sentiment. What you intend is one thing. What everyone sees is something else. What everyone saw was you saying “You’re not born this way, the homophobes are kind of right right.” That’s why I, and others, are so frustrated at the way you’re acting here. You keep doubling down on the science aspect, which is fine, but you’re outright contradicting yourself. You started this by saying “The science doesn’t prove that” and then go with “Well the science proves it but…”
As for why I’m so frustrated by your behavior, it’s because you are being insanely inconsistent. To me you’re now saying “Ah yes, I worded it poorly”. Yet a few minutes ago you said “I also NEVER even implied it is a choice to begin with” and refused to agree with @[email protected] on the simple point that your comment implied you were saying that it was a choice to be gay. The very thing that homophobes keep smacking us with.
Moreover, the science is absolutely irrelevant. Those studies (which I just looked through) don’t even agree with you.
The first study you linked?
These findings are interpreted as supporting the argument for a biological basis in sexual orientation.
A questionnaire. So no genetic studies or tests. A survey. One that just happens to not agree with you.
The second study?
The results of these analyses should be interpreted in the context of low statistical power and the use of a single item to assess the complex phenotype of sexual orientation.
In other words, it is saying “This study should be taken with a grain of salt because our study pool was low and we only used a single item to summarize sexual orientation.”
You don’t know what you’re talking about and keep backpedaling when people point that out. You do not have a study that backs you up because the studies themselves either disagree or openly admit that they’re weak studies. You are pushing a dangerous narrative that aligns with that of homophobes and trying to claim that you’re not part of that. Your claims are unfounded, your comments unappreciated, your behavior unacceptable.
You do not come into a gay community and state “You were not born this way because of studies I do not understand” and then try to act like you’re just being misunderstood.
The science does support it, it just doesn’t conclusively prove it. Welcome to how science works.
And it’s really just shorthand for “this wasnt a choice”, so yeah, it’s not their ‘fault’.
Now, we can debate all day about whether it’s a set of genes they’re born with, or a set of genes that activate during puberty when exposed to hormones and the environment. But at the end of the day it doesn’t make a difference. No one chooses being gay.
And if your argument is that, yes, people do choose being gay because YOU chose being straight, then I’ve got some fun news to share with you.
You are strawmaning me pretty hard here. My point is, it does not matter whether it’s a choice or not. That is the argument the homophobes bring and I refuse to engage with it.
I also NEVER even implied it is a choice to begin with. The current model involves genetics as well as very early childhood experience, definitely not a “choice”.
What matters is, there’s nothing wrong with being gay. Regardless of what makes us gay.
I also NEVER even implied it is a choice to begin with.
Ridiculous. You said the science doesn’t support the idea that we are born gay.
I understand (and disagree) with your main point about “arguing on the terms of homophobes”, but if you can’t acknowledge what YOUR words CLEARLY implied then you are the one arguing in bad faith.
That does not mean it is a choice. Like I linked in the other comments, there are studies on identical twins where the concordance is around 60-70%. That still leaves a lot of room for other factors (none of which are a conscious decision).
There’s a pretty big field between “We are born gay and it is 100% genetic” and “sexuality is a choice”, it’s not a dichotomy.
To be clear, it doesn’t matter how you try to clarify your point in later comments.
The reason people are responding to you negatively, as if you implied being gay was a choice, was because that’s what you implied. The VAST majority of people read it that way.
If you aren’t capable of saying “I can understand that I phrased my initial point badly, I’m sorry. Here’s what I actually mean:”, then you simply aren’t worth talking to. You can be as self righteous as you want, or try to twist what you said earlier into being technically correct, but it just doesn’t matter. You have zero right to condescend to people who read and responded to the actual words you said.
I think this is an overreaction to someone trying to explain and clarify their point honestly
Honest is not the vibe I get. I see someone trying to weasel into a position of “I was right all along”
However, I appreciate your perspective. My own hostility may be disproportionate, I will more carefully consider this in the future
My comment was written poorly and it was rightfully downvoted. I did my best to explain my thoughts in the comments and edited my initial comment to add context.
I have no ill will towards people reacting negatively, I did my best to explain my stance, certainly did not intend for it to sound condescending.
I’m not here to win you over and it really doesn’t seem like there’s any actual discussion happening anymore, so I’ll peace out. Have a nice day.
Rather than “this is me, there’s nothing wrong with who I am”, it argues “this is me, and it’s not my fault”.
You can say both either way, this is me, its not my fault and there’s nothing wrong with that.
