Senior men have higher rates of suicide than average, and firearms were involved in more than three-quarters of those deaths in 2021, according to a CDC report

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      No it is not, Japan has a higher rate than we do and they basically don’t have firearms at all in their country.

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          Uhh Japan’s rate is 16.5 vs the USAs 14… they most definitely have a higher rate of suicide. I don’t even know how you think we have a lower rate than they do.

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            The Wikipedia page has 2 tables the one that says ‘latest’ from the WHO has the US higher and the one that includes multiple sources and older data has Japan higher

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              Your own source from the wiki link you posted says you’re wrong. Please provide a different source that says differently

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                No it doesn’t. Provide your own if you disagree with the stats. You brought up Japan anyway, which is not relevant here but I humoured you anyway. The US is 31st in the world for suicides, most are done by guns. That’s shocking and your attempt at distraction is laughable.

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                  Are you blind or trolling? Cause the wiki link %100 shows Japan with a higher rate than the USA. I brought up Japan because you claimed our suicide rate was high because of guns…which isn’t why we have a high rate. I’m also not the one trying to conflate guns as the reason for high suicide numbers…

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                    I have provided the link and quoted the numbers. Stop fucking around because it’s really boring.

                    Access to guns certainly makes the suicide rate high. There are other reasons for other countries having higher rates.

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              There are some sourcing issues with statistics that are going on with this thread, me thinks. When I did a quick glance over the numbers, there are a ton of conditions like gender, age, year, population, etc., that need to be validated as well. Cultural differences regarding suicide need to be taken into account as well.

              Regardless, y’all can argue about insignificant statistical differences all you want. A suicide is a suicide and the method of suicide is irrelevant.

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                A suicide is a suicide and the method of suicide is irrelevant.

                Which is your gut feeling about how suicide works, not supported in any way by anyone involved in the study of suicide or suicide prevention.

                The claim “they’d just do it another way” is bullshit.

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                  I spot checked numbers around the world and the suicide rates are fairly consistent regardless of gun laws.

                  You are just making wild assumptions about how I read into anything, and, based on your name, you are just trolling. Just blabbing out “Nah! U wrong!” doesn’t really prove a point, it is just provoking an argument.

                  Saying that is takes a suicide specialist to read is a weird claim. It’s like saying you need to have a doctorate degree in language studies to write something down.

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                    Oh apparently its permissable to not provide links when you do it.

                    But don’t worry, I know what the numbers are so I wont deliberately waste your time in an act of bad faith in the hope that next time you just let people spread misinformation.

                    Even disregarding that nowhere has gun laws that allow violent, suicidal people to acquire guns as easily as America, numbers are not the whole story.

                    Every time widespread means reduction has been implemented, those numbers have gone down.

                    I’m sorry if that hurts your guns feelings.

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                    I spot checked numbers around the world and the suicide rates are fairly consistent regardless of gun laws.

                    Why did you pick out gun laws specifically, and not access?