Why does every cop need a gun to protect public safetycase law has established they’re not responsible for that.…protect capital interests when police in countries like England don’t?
Case law established that police do not have a responsibility to act, (because nobody has a responsibility to act and making an exception would cause problems). This does not mean that there isn’t an expectation to act, or that being armed would make individuals more willing to act.
It seems as though you’re correcting me saying they’re not responsible for protecting public safety, by telling me they’re not responsible for protecting public safety. If you say so.
Why do they need guns to not protect public safety not protect public safety? Seems as though having all police carry a tool literally designed to kill people at the press of a button at all times might enable, and potentially encourage them to kill members of the community.
Bingo! This guy just shot his own argument in the foot. (pun intend) “So if police have no obligation to protect the community they patrol than not having a gun should be a problem.” but simultaneously boot lickers will also argue they need guns to stop the methical bad guy with a gun. Remember everyone, giving the state/government a license to do violence will never just be used against just those “bad people / enemies” it will also be used to subjugate the citizens
Except that wasn’t the commenters actual argument. It was merely a premise, upon which they argued that LE should be unarmed. I accepted (and clarified) the premise, but pointed out that premise is not actually sufficient.
“It will also be used to subjugate the citizen”
All power can be used for immoral purposes, even citizen militias (like naively extolled by anarkiddies) are perfectly capable of abuse.
The problem therefore is to minimise abuses and the solution is to implement immediate repercussions for immoral actions. Not disarm the police. That does nothing but mean that as long as you have enough bullets, you can run your own unaccountable government.
They are not legally required to, they however are expected to.
Just like you are not legally required to do your job (with rare exceptions), but you are still expected to and would certainly like the equipment to do it safely.
“It seems as though”
Things are not always what the seem prima facie, perhaps you should be studying more English.
We have the legal precedent that protecting public safety isn’t their job because this was challenged in court, and their jobs were protected. They can’t be sacked for not doing what’s not their job.
If I don’t do my job, I get sacked - I assume it’s the same for you… But what do I know - maybe it’s different for you enlightened English scholars.
Let’s try to bring you back a third time… Why is it necessary for all police to have the ability to kill people with the press of a button? We have courts to deal out death sentences with due process and separation of powers, other countries’ cops don’t need guns.
Maybe you should be studying the topic at hand, eh?
“Why is it necessary for all police to have the ability to kill people with the press of a button”
Why prohibit them? Everyone else can carry guns, why aren’t police permitted to have an equal amount of weaponry? In fact civilians even in many European countries can outgun police.
Additionally you realize you can kill someone with a baton? It’s not that difficult, you characterising guns as particularly dangerous weapons that let police kill with impunity is pretty naive.
“Let’s try to bring you back a third time”
Considering that you flatly refuse to acknowledge the first two times, why am I supposed to expect you to acknowledge it a third time? I’ve already refuted your argument, and yet you beg for more, and are puzzled why I call you illiterate.
You’ve been playing a grand Motte and Bailey, alternating from asserting that police are just fatasses eating doughnuts because they have no legal obligation to do their job, to portraying them as Einsatzgruppen massacring civilians just because they have a 9mm.
“Maybe you should be studying the topic at hand”
No, I’m not the one here who talks out of my ass. So let me ask you two questions.
How many people have been shot by police in the US?
What percentage of police involved shootings involve an active shooter? Not an armed person, an active shooter that is firing a weapon to kill either police or another person. (You know a clear and obvious attempted homicide case).
Just because people riot and burn down precincts doesn’t mean that their concerns are valid. After all by this standard Donald Trump must have won the 2020 election because some people really believed it.
People being unjustly killed by police is such a small fraction as to be inconsequential. Keep in mind that the vast majority of police killings would be classified as self-defence if committed by any other citizen. There would be much greater harm in stripping police of there ability to act/react to a violent assailant. (There you go, explained it a third time for you).
Already pointed out by myself in this thread. I sure hope you aren’t relying on the literacy skills you’ve demonstrated here when treating your patients.
Why does every cop need a gun to
protect public safetycase law has established they’re not responsible for that.…protect capital interests when police in countries like England don’t?Case law established that police do not have a responsibility to act, (because nobody has a responsibility to act and making an exception would cause problems). This does not mean that there isn’t an expectation to act, or that being armed would make individuals more willing to act.
It seems as though you’re correcting me saying they’re not responsible for protecting public safety, by telling me they’re not responsible for protecting public safety. If you say so.
Why do they need guns to
not protect public safetynot protect public safety? Seems as though having all police carry a tool literally designed to kill people at the press of a button at all times might enable, and potentially encourage them to kill members of the community.Bingo! This guy just shot his own argument in the foot. (pun intend) “So if police have no obligation to protect the community they patrol than not having a gun should be a problem.” but simultaneously boot lickers will also argue they need guns to stop the methical bad guy with a gun. Remember everyone, giving the state/government a license to do violence will never just be used against just those “bad people / enemies” it will also be used to subjugate the citizens
Except that wasn’t the commenters actual argument. It was merely a premise, upon which they argued that LE should be unarmed. I accepted (and clarified) the premise, but pointed out that premise is not actually sufficient.
“It will also be used to subjugate the citizen”
All power can be used for immoral purposes, even citizen militias (like naively extolled by anarkiddies) are perfectly capable of abuse.
The problem therefore is to minimise abuses and the solution is to implement immediate repercussions for immoral actions. Not disarm the police. That does nothing but mean that as long as you have enough bullets, you can run your own unaccountable government.
They are not legally required to, they however are expected to.
Just like you are not legally required to do your job (with rare exceptions), but you are still expected to and would certainly like the equipment to do it safely.
“It seems as though”
Things are not always what the seem prima facie, perhaps you should be studying more English.
We have the legal precedent that protecting public safety isn’t their job because this was challenged in court, and their jobs were protected. They can’t be sacked for not doing what’s not their job.
If I don’t do my job, I get sacked - I assume it’s the same for you… But what do I know - maybe it’s different for you enlightened English scholars.
Let’s try to bring you back a third time… Why is it necessary for all police to have the ability to kill people with the press of a button? We have courts to deal out death sentences with due process and separation of powers, other countries’ cops don’t need guns.
Maybe you should be studying the topic at hand, eh?
“Why is it necessary for all police to have the ability to kill people with the press of a button”
Why prohibit them? Everyone else can carry guns, why aren’t police permitted to have an equal amount of weaponry? In fact civilians even in many European countries can outgun police.
Additionally you realize you can kill someone with a baton? It’s not that difficult, you characterising guns as particularly dangerous weapons that let police kill with impunity is pretty naive.
“Let’s try to bring you back a third time” Considering that you flatly refuse to acknowledge the first two times, why am I supposed to expect you to acknowledge it a third time? I’ve already refuted your argument, and yet you beg for more, and are puzzled why I call you illiterate.
You’ve been playing a grand Motte and Bailey, alternating from asserting that police are just fatasses eating doughnuts because they have no legal obligation to do their job, to portraying them as Einsatzgruppen massacring civilians just because they have a 9mm.
“Maybe you should be studying the topic at hand”
No, I’m not the one here who talks out of my ass. So let me ask you two questions.
How many people have been shot by police in the US?
What percentage of police involved shootings involve an active shooter? Not an armed person, an active shooter that is firing a weapon to kill either police or another person. (You know a clear and obvious attempted homicide case).
Just because people riot and burn down precincts doesn’t mean that their concerns are valid. After all by this standard Donald Trump must have won the 2020 election because some people really believed it.
People being unjustly killed by police is such a small fraction as to be inconsequential. Keep in mind that the vast majority of police killings would be classified as self-defence if committed by any other citizen. There would be much greater harm in stripping police of there ability to act/react to a violent assailant. (There you go, explained it a third time for you).
Yeah, let me use that as a defense when a patient codes and I ignore it. Get the fuck out of here with this shit.
Already pointed out by myself in this thread. I sure hope you aren’t relying on the literacy skills you’ve demonstrated here when treating your patients.
You flatter yourself thinking I was interested in seeking out any other commentary of yours.
I bet you think you’re so clever for directly admitting that you didn’t want to read more context.
I don’t think anyone here realises how little I respect their opinion. A Markov chain bot would have greater factual accuracy than the lunatics here.
You really do think you’re important, don’t you? Lol
Asserting superior intellectual standards is not the same as asserting importance.
Oh, you’re smart. Well, pardon me for not noticing.
Why the fuck would anyone try to read more of your comments? We all know you’re a bootlicker.