• TherouxSonfeir@lemm.ee
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    search warrant that required Google to provide the IP addresses of anyone who had searched for the address of a home within the previous 15 days of it being set on fire

    I’m fine with this. It’s specific to an actual crime that happened, and not targeting a known individual or preventing something that hasn’t happened yet, “for the children” or some nonsense like that.

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      It wasn’t specific to an individual criminal, though. Police aren’t allowed to get warrants for fishing expeditions, they’re supposed to find leads themselves and then get a concise warrant to evidence to confirm that. They searched people they had no right to search, and violated their constitutional rights.

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        It wasn’t specific to the fire? Like, whoever googled the address is a suspect. That’s a pretty good way to solve a crime.

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          Would you still feel the same way if the DMV was set on fire and you were a suspect because you’d searched for directions to the place?

          Or if you had searched that home address because you were looking for homes in the area to compare with what you wanted?

          It shouldn’t be enough to make a Google search to assume an individual is a suspect in a crime.

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            Yes exactly. This story has echos of the guy who was hounded by police (and maybe even charged and convicted?) because he took a different route while cycling and rode past a house where a crime was committed. That, too, was Google.

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      You’re fine with not targeting an individual and using blanket warrants instead? Even a judge said it was unconstitutional due to it not being individualized, and the EFF says it can implicate innocents. Even Google, who tracks and collects most everything, was reluctant to hand it over.

      Sure, this reinvigorated the case, but it has an “ends justify the means” feel to it, which is a slippery slope. But you’re actively endorsing a less privacy friendly stance than Google, of all things. That blows my mind.

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        Everything must blow your mind. This is like going to a hotel and asking to see a list of people who stayed in the hotel last week because the suspect is probably staying nearby. Sounds like a pretty good way to get leads without asking for too much info.

        Figuring out who searched for the address where the crime happened actually just sounds like good police work

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          Everything must blow your mind.

          Just people in a privacy community advocating for even less privacy than Google, who is decidedly anti-privacy, wants. The company who detests privacy and wants to collect data on everyone said, “this might be private and we shouldn’t go with it,” and you go “nope, it’s not, give it over?” I feel like Google is a very low bar to pass for privacy, and you still tripped on it.

          So yes, no matter how much I experience in the world, people advocating for being taken advantage of or having their rights violated (which is what’s happening here) blows my mind, despite running into it semi-constantly.

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      Yeah, it’s a specific enough request that I don’t see any problem here.

      Although, why the IP address? I would imagine most people using Google products would be logged into Google accounts. They’d probably know the exact account who made the search, rather than a vague IP that could belong to multiple people in.

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        Well, sometimes I google but I don’t have an account. And if I did, it wouldn’t have my real info.

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          Fair enough. I don’t think it’s common for someone to be doing Google searches without having an account linked to other services, though.

          Anyone using YouTube, Gmail, etc. would be logged in.

          And everyone with an android phone who uses google search would very likely be linked to an account, for example.

          I just thought it would cut to the chase for Google to provide account holder info and not just IP addresses.

          Then again, the arsonists could have very well used any of the other search engines to look up the address. So… maybe police aren’t aware that other search options exist.

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            It’s a shot in the dark for sure, but if it did have a hit, that’s probably the arsonist.