That would imply that (liberal) reforms are a good way to solve our issues, but that is not the case. Of course posting memes is not praxis. But to say that reforms, especially liberal reforms who even fail to see capitalism as the root problem, are good because someone is at least doing something is just as wrong. This is not a new debate and none that needs to be had for the hundredth time. All this reform vs revolution talk has been plentifully discussed over a 100 years ago. Rosa Luxemburgs “Reform or revolution” makes the biggest points perfectly clear. Reforms can be a way to temporarily make things better (if done right, which is not the case with most liberal reforms), but we should not be kidding ourselfs by thinking that we can solve this systemic issue by making new laws. The powerful won’t just sit there and watch their power be handed over.
But to say that reforms, especially liberal reforms who even fail to see capitalism as the root problem, are good because someone is at least doing something is just as wrong.
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying do the work or put the effort into help sell people on and direct them to better action. Critique is easy, solutions are not, and this post doesn’t really propose solutions. It feels like red meat for people who want to go “liberal reforms are nonsense amirite?” - notice how most comments are functionally just nodding along or just giving this post the same dismissal in kind. Ridiculing well-intentioned people with a pikachu joke and then walking away is worse than inaction, frankly. If your goal is buy-in, I’m seeing quite the opposite, which is unfortunately a kind of post that is generally rewarded online. Yet I imagine we both want to see meaningful change!
Let me ask you this: why was this posted? What was the goal?
I do that with ppl who make right wing and/or troll “contributions”. A singular lapse of judgement or lashing out - between socialists - does not warrant more than a warning imo
Repeated toxic behaviour, however, will be handled differently
that is not what I said. If you want to constructively point out flaws in other peoples’ argumentation, feel free to do so.
Friendly discourse in the comments is more than welcome!
It’s the insulting/ad hominem or using/painting caricatures that I cannot abide
That would imply that (liberal) reforms are a good way to solve our issues, but that is not the case. Of course posting memes is not praxis. But to say that reforms, especially liberal reforms who even fail to see capitalism as the root problem, are good because someone is at least doing something is just as wrong. This is not a new debate and none that needs to be had for the hundredth time. All this reform vs revolution talk has been plentifully discussed over a 100 years ago. Rosa Luxemburgs “Reform or revolution” makes the biggest points perfectly clear. Reforms can be a way to temporarily make things better (if done right, which is not the case with most liberal reforms), but we should not be kidding ourselfs by thinking that we can solve this systemic issue by making new laws. The powerful won’t just sit there and watch their power be handed over.
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying do the work or put the effort into help sell people on and direct them to better action. Critique is easy, solutions are not, and this post doesn’t really propose solutions. It feels like red meat for people who want to go “liberal reforms are nonsense amirite?” - notice how most comments are functionally just nodding along or just giving this post the same dismissal in kind. Ridiculing well-intentioned people with a pikachu joke and then walking away is worse than inaction, frankly. If your goal is buy-in, I’m seeing quite the opposite, which is unfortunately a kind of post that is generally rewarded online. Yet I imagine we both want to see meaningful change!
Let me ask you this: why was this posted? What was the goal?
someone posted a photo of you earlier
come on now, that’s not good conduct!
Please refrain from ad hominem/personal insults in the future, I would like for this community to be in the image of rule 1
Huh
I do that with ppl who make right wing and/or troll “contributions”. A singular lapse of judgement or lashing out - between socialists - does not warrant more than a warning imo
Repeated toxic behaviour, however, will be handled differently
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Lol, so they get to sealion and gish gallop, but pointing out that what they are doing isn’t productive is somehow the problem? ok…
(E: also it’s not an ad hominem, I didn’t attack anything about them, but the point they were literally making)
that is not what I said. If you want to constructively point out flaws in other peoples’ argumentation, feel free to do so. Friendly discourse in the comments is more than welcome!
It’s the insulting/ad hominem or using/painting caricatures that I cannot abide
reacting to the edit: Maybe using caricatures to point things out isn’t best practice
If this is the path we are going down then I’m not really in the mood to continue this conversation. Have a good one man.